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Today is the first day I've heard of Acetone; especially dipping a coin in it. Is there another reason except removing glue of something. Is there any other benefit to doing that? I know that vinegar will clean tar and dirt off of coins and doesn't seem to do any damage if not left to soak a long time and a soft paint brush is used to brush lightly. Not something I tend to do but have on occasion. I've heard that it doesn't damage the coin and I don't believe it does but any one know for sure.

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I'm not experienced in cleaning coins, but I will tell you what I'm doing now.
I went to a garage sale the other week. They were selling a roll of dateless Buffalo nickels for $10.00. I got it for $8.00. They obviously thought they got a good deal.
I bought them for a reason. I wanted to soak them for 2 weeks in vinegar and see if I could raise some dates. Today was the end of week 1, and now I flipped the coins and changed the vinegar. I noticed dates on about half of the coins.
I don't clean coins, but I tried this experiment because I was curious. So far it looks kind of promising. I was looking at a previously dateless Buffalo, it now shows a clear 1916 date. That coin will get further inspection when this process is over.
To be clear, I am trying a 2 week soak in vinegar, no brushes or wipes, and I'm soaking the entire coin and not just the area where the date appears.
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Acetone is an organic solvent, incapable of reacting with silver but there's a remote possibility of reaction with copper. It's only good for removing organic stuff like glue.

Vinegar, on the other hand, is an acid. The Buffs sjh241 speaks of are showing dates because the acid has eaten the metal away, and the locally-stronger metal of the date is dissolving more slowly than the field around it. Consider that when you think about using vinegar to clean stuff off of a coin.
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To me removing Glue, PVC or other junk from you coins is not cleaning them.
You are restoring them to their, closer to original state.
I have used acetone many times to remove everything from road tar to 30 year old scotch tape.
Every coin I soaked was better after word than before.
I have also used olive oil with good results.
12 years ago I found a large cent in the back yard while digging up and constructing a flower bed.
Well the coin somehow was missplaced until a couple weeks ago. It has been soaking in Olive oil since it turned back up.
After the olive oil I will treat the lg. cent with Verdi-care. This will turn a junk coin into a f-12 nice old coin.
And the best part I have saved a coin for the next generation to collect.
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I know cleaning coins is taboo but I saw somewhere that acetone was the only way the pro's restored coins. So I tried it on a large 1844 copper penny token that appeared to have black soil or grime ground into the finest details. I won the coin for like $2 on ebay, probably because it looked low grade due to all the grime. So what did I have to lose?

Using swabs and acetone I meticulously worked the crud out from in between the finer lines in the design. I was pleased when the coin that appeared VG/F ended up looking EF to AU.. It did lighten the coin very slightly, originally the crud made it look as dark as an Oreo cookie. After the cleaning it ended up looking a deep dark bronze with some toning and just a hint of luster.

Vinegar or any other acid like lemon juice are NOT recommended for cleaning collectible coins. It is more used for coins that have been dug up after being buried in dirt for years and are encased in hard crud or are corroded beyond recognition. So it is more of a last ditch effort at identifying an otherwise unidentifiable coin. I also metal detect and vinegar, olive oil, lemon juice, peroxide, etc. are commonly used to help identify finds. Just remember if you go this route only treat coins of the same composition in the same solution. The acid removes some of the outer surface and it sticks to other coins. Kind of like washing bright colors with whites.
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The comments here are vinegar are correct. I did this as an experiment to raise dates on coins which had no visible ones (as explained, it eats the metal and the dates will appear as that metal is struck stronger). These coins I didn't care about; it was an experiment.
However, a good experiment it has been.
As I said, I'm soaking them for 2 weeks. This is the end of week one. I took a look for any raised dates. So far I have pulled 12 with dates:
- 1 1915
- 4 1916's
- 1 1917D
- 5 1917's
- 1 1920

For a few others the dates are coming out, and they all are in the teens.
Looks like an old roll.
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As I have said before, I dont like using vinegar since it eats away the entire coin. I much prefer using nic a date as you only treat the date area, not the entire coin.

Olive oil is a very mild acid. Its mild enough that it doesn't completely mess up copper, so works for old pennies.

It always kind of amuses me that the same folks that have heart attacks about dipping a coin for a matter of seconds dont have issues with leaving a coin to soak for days in acid (yes, I DO realize the difference in strength). Just sayin. ;)
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I tried acetone a week or so ago n the first Walking Liberty coin I had found from roll searching. It really is only melt value anyway and everyone on CCF seems to say it is safe. First I looked at details under my microscope and saw around the date's numbers, there was a lot of black crud inside the loops, curves, eyc. of the numbers. After a very quick dip, I looked again and was amazed at how much of it was gone. So I dipped it another quick dip and was really surprised as almost all of the gunk was gone. One more qiock dip and there was nothing around the numbers. The same thing happened on other areas of the coins detail.s I am sold on using acetone.
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I've used olive oil on a few old pennies found while CRH that were beyond identification. I used it just to test the technique, and curb my curiosity about what was underneath. I get mixed results with the oil, and I find I have to leave it for a very long time to get results.
The vinegar for me works fine for this experiment. Personally, I'd rather see the date and have the coin with an even tone than nic-a-date which highlights the area around the date and leaves the rest of the coin looking as it was. Reminds me of that look when you wipe a spot in a steamed mirror.
I just took a look at the Buffalo's in the vinegar as I flipped them today and can see if there are mintmarks. I just pulled an S, flipped it, and it's 1914.
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I do appreciate all the responses, please keep em coming I find all of this most interesting. Just to clarify 1 point. The length of time the coins are in the vinegar and it being only 5% acidity are no longer than 2 minutes and they are rinsed right after with water. Then set on a paper towel to dry. Cents by themselves as are dimes, quarters, halves, etc. Golden Dollars are separate as well. I have observed that coins that look AU still have that luster that mint have.
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sjh241.....are the buffs showing pitting from the vinegar ?
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So far, I see no pitting. I'm going to take these coins out on Saturday and see what I finally got, and the condition of the coins. I'll try to snap a few pics too.
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sjh, I see your point, and it does make that spot glare at you. But I still prefer that over the whole coin thing. But then, it just that, a personal preference. Look forward to seeing how they turn out.
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I'm surprized that none of the moderators have made links to the zillions of other posts about Vinegar and Acetone.
Also, you should try the Search tab at the top for Acetone. Over the years the use of Acetone, Vinegar and Olive Oil comes up so much I think we need a separate forum for those. A Cleaning or Not Cleaning coins Forum.
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Yea, good idea Carl! There are hundreds of such threads here on CC.

Instead of competely ruining a dateless buffalo by soaking it in vinegar for days, go buy yourself some muriatic acid from the hardware store. Apply a small drop to the date area, wait a few minutes and rinse it off. It's quite cheap, simple and 1000x faster.
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Quote:
Olive oil is a very mild acid. Its mild enough that it doesn't completely mess up copper, so works for old pennies.


I think you put a "doesn't" in there that "doesn't" belong.

Olive oil is a sure path to ruining your copper coin permanently.
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