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There seems to be two different dies for war of 1812, 2 dollars coin. At first I though it was due to die wear and the flag disappeared (see red circles) but investigating other sections of the coin, there are obvious differences! (for example, see red arrows)  |
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I'm not a Canadian coin collector, but it does seem the hub was reworked. Great eye!
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First off, let's be sure we know the locations. The flag is on the bow of the ship in the background to the left of Shannon, correct?
If so, then all of the 15 (3 x 5) I got from the mint offering are the flagless variety.
Where are the other markers you show?
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I think the arrows in numidan's photo reveal some very noticeable design adjustments. In fact, I can't see any of the design elements that look alike. All elements in the "flagless" pictures posted show a more distinctive accentuation of elements.
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You are right dialog_gvf, I did not point out the areas.
The top pictures are, as indicated, the ship in the left scene.
The bottom pictures shows a close up of the front of Shannon on the right of coin.
There are other differencies that can be seen.
Edited by numidan
09/26/2012 08:30 am
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Very cool find! Wonder if this has to do with the delays they had shipping the 5 packs to people before the summer. Have to check and see if ones from the roll VS 5 packs are different.
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My 30 coins have a highly polished obverse with cameo reverse. Only 2 parcial flags, the rest flagless.
Thus being cameo I thought they all would be full flags but a new die is the only other alternative.
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Valued Member
Canada
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A close up look at the original design unveiled June 18, 2012, shows the small ship flagless.
Reworked hub or die wear? That is the question. It would be interesting to hear from someone who has contacts with the mint. Anyone?
It would also be interesting to find out what type others have.
Thank you
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All of the ones that I got from the Mint in Cell Packs are all flagless, I have checked 5 from pocket change and they are flagless also.
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Canada
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Wonder what the split will be for this one! Its a great find! 2 dies for the same year coin within months is a testament to the new quality of Canadian toonies and loonies! I will have to keep a look out for these and keep them all until we know what the split is.
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Any news on what the split on this might be. I have a bunch of HMS toonies at home to check. I looked at two quickly and they might be flagless!
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There is very little interest for this coin. I think it is because it is not obvious to see.
Until now, only one with flag and 2 partial flags. The rest are flagless.
I have classified this as "due to die wear" for now but boy what a coincidence!
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Anyone with contacts at the mint who could confirm a reworked die? I think its a great find and would love to see more Flag or partial flag finds!
As well, what makes this a true Variety? I am new to this whole thing and dont fully understand why some coins are varities and others are not. Like for example the point 1865 and 1985, why is that a recocnized variety but others dont make the cut.
Thanks
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Roughly speaking:
A variety is an difference between virgin dies. That is, the die was deliberately put into service in a certain way. This could include digit differences, different portraits, mules, missing or extra water lines, doubling, re-engraving, etc.
An error is something that occurs while the die is in use. This could include cracks, breaks, out-of-collar, brockage, clip, etc.
So, if this is a flag that is supposed to be there, and has been polished away, these would represent varieties.
If the flag is a die flake, or some such simulation of a flag that occurred after the die was put in service, and there never was a flag, this would be an error.
As to why something is listed as a variety in publications, and other varities are not, has a lot to do with the conversations on forums like this, at shows, and between the publishers and the major collectors, and the popularity among collectors a variety exhibits over time.
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10/05/2012 5:47 pm
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Just to add my numbers into the mix, I've got 15 Shannon twoonies -- 10 flagless, 3 with full flags, and 2 with partial flags. The partial flags are not squared off at the end but have more of a "rounded point" edge, if that makes sense.
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Posted 09/25/2012 11:48 pm
