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Worn George II Colonial Coin?

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Not sure if this is a colonial coin or not. It looks like it is George II. I looked under the Great Britain section, but on the reverse the spear/trident is facing the other side. Any guesses?

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Wow Matt, I'm going crazy to try to nail it. My first instinct is a George II Halfpenny. Brittania reverse so I assume it's English in origin. I'm still working on it.
Also, looks to be a metal detector find.
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Was Britannia ever seated facing right on British coinage prior to George IV? Might that suggest that this coin is an "evasion copper," and the difference from the royal issues is that Britannia is turned around?
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This, at first thought, is an evasion copper of George II.
I'll text mmorgan22, my friend out here, and ask the weight.
Whatever it is, it will find a place in my collection soon
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Here is a little bit of help. Coin weighs 5.91 grams.
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Sorry Matt, I forgot to ask you :o

Most George II Halfpennies weighed 9.7-10.3 grams so this would rule these out even with the wear and corrosion.
I'm thinking it may be a contemporary counterfeit as there were actually more of them at the time then the real ones.
This may explain the under weight. The spear in her right hand is throwing me off
Hmm
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Smaller than a halfpenny is the farthing, and those weigh about 5.3g for the George II period. But why would a counterfeit be made heavier than the original?
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That is if it's a Farthing

Matt, what's the diameter?
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This is an evasion, but it's driving me mad finding the match. The reverse can be found on some "Earl Howe, Wooden Walls of Old England" with Britannia seated both left and right, still with the trident in her left hand.
This pairing though I've yet to find.
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Bingo.

http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/Col...smith.1.html

A "Blacksmith Copper" from Lower Canada in the early nineteenth century. Read the Notre Dame write-up on them. Pretty neat!
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The first section of Wood's taxonomy (Wood 1-18) display an obverse with a bust left head in imitation of a George II halfpenny. The reverse usually shows the seated Britannia facing to the right, opposite her usual position on regal issues where she always faces left.
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Canadain Blackmsith Copper = Wood 11.

Very neat - The Massachusetts Silver series for the Canadians ... in other words their ultimate Colonial series to collect.

The people from Montreal and the surrounding areas are just starting to realize this Warren Baker <BG>.

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Nice job p! I have a couple Blacksmith Coppers...never even crossed my mind! Mine look different.
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Well, I can say for sure you've laid eyes on one almost exactly like this, v!
http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=41753

Now you could have one with a nice low Wood #. Don't know if I would commit to Wood-11 just yet; looks like there are about 13 die varieties with the right-facing reverse and the left-facing George II bust.
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I did indeed, didn't I. 3.5 years ago :o
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I should have thought of a blacksmith copper. Thank you guys for all the help!
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