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1938 Crown Variety?

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 Posted 01/03/2013  11:14 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add oh my florin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi I was just looking at some of the photos from the last Downies auction and I think I may of found not one but two varieties in terms of the designers initials on the reverse of some crowns. I dont know if this is very slight PMD or an actual variety.

Regular HP (possible underline between H and P but looks like a scratch)
http://downies.com/aca/Auction312/a...312/1115.jpg
Regular H Block P
http://downies.com/aca/Auction312/a...312/1113.jpg
Regular H Filled P
http://downies.com/aca/Auction312/a...312/1112.jpg
What do you think? you may need to zoom in quite a bit you can see it at 200% zoom but you may want to try 400% zoom to see it easier.
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 Posted 01/04/2013  12:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oh my florin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are pictures of the varieties
Regular HP (possible underline between H and P but looks like a scratch)
1938-Crown-Variety?

Regular H Block P
1938-Crown-Variety?

Regular H Filled P
1938-Crown-Variety?
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 Posted 01/04/2013  03:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like it. By the way, is the top image actually the filled P?
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That one is the most common as far as I have found. Although I think it is just a regular P but the photos provided arnt that great so I may be wrong. The third one is what I call the filled P because it is pretty much an O due to it missing the downstroke of the P.
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Oh right, I didn't realise the downstroke was missing and the hole in the P looked smaller in the first one.
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I cant really see the differences. Seeing as all the coin are cirulated and you dont have them in hand it would be hard to be definite.
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In the middle one, the round part of the P is more square.
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Ok I can see that now.
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Hmmm, I reckon coin one and three are PMD. Looks like a ding on coin one to me, rather than an underscore. And coin three looks like it has had a ding on the downstroke of the P.
However, as many things (even in tamper-proof packaging) that I find and post on this forum (in the hope it is a new variety or error) are deemed to be PMD - well, maybe I have no clue about this?

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Without having quite a few of these coins to examine it will be inpossible to tell. That one coin may have had the slightest bit of grease in the die or worn slightly differently to anotger coin. To call it a variety I reckon you would need to have found at least 10 aUNC-UNC examples of each type to show its not wear and its not a once off error. Going by fuzzy photos from a catalogue really isn't reliable.
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 Posted 01/04/2013  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add robster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Uncirculated coins would remove any doubts.!
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number one is the normal one but the filled P may just be a ding although there werent that many elsewhere and it was graded aUNC if it is a ding it would have to be one of the most misleading ones out there. Although I can say with iron clad certainty that the third one has to be a variety because you cant attribute it to PMD and cant be modified because there is extra metal there but if there was metal missing instead I would probably have put it down to PMD
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