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Should We Be Allowed To Put ICCS Or CCCS In Ebay Titles?

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 Posted 01/06/2013  10:46 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add artdio to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Just curious how many of you think we should be allowed to include ICCS or CCCS in our ebay titles along with grades.

What about non certified coins , should we be allowed to state our opinion of grade in titles ?
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I think it is a good idea. For high value coins, I would only buy TPS certified coins and having ICCS or CCCS in the ebay titles speeds up the search.
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Of about 64,000 Canadian coins listed on ebay there are usually about 8,000 with ICCS or CCCS grades in the title.I don't see the problem.ebay obviously does not enforce their TPG rules on Canadian coins.
For raw coins I don't believe a numerical grade should be allowed in the title.There are too many sellers who use asyn as a grading guide and too many buyers who will swallow it.
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ebay. ca has no problem with them. ebay .com will remove the listing if it is reported. It has been like this for a couple years because of a deal between ebay and American numismatic associations.
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Zonad ebay will not remove them..go ahead and report someone ..They ignore it...

Ok how about this...Most sellers know you are not allowed..So what should be said about the Sellers who willingly know they are breaking the rules and listing policies but dont care and still do it...
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Should we be able to put ebay dot ca in messages here without the system changing them to ebay.com?

@zonad: Is it a formal antitrust agreement?
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The problem is a seller can't cross list. It is unfair, and considering how terrible the US TPG are with Canadian coins, the "protection" it offers is laughable.
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ebay.ca has no problem with them. eBay.com will remove the listing if it is reported.


If the listing is listed on eBay.ca by a Canadian resident they absolutely will not remove it. They can even put values in the title and they will not remove it.

I've been complaining about it for years and they will not fix this ridiculous double standard. Canadians get to break the ebay.com rules and have their listings show right next to the Amercian users in the same search results on ebay.com that must follow the rules or get their items removed and risk paying more in fees.

If they break ebay.com rules, they should not have their listings show on ebay.com. They should show on ebay.ca only where they are within the rules.
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IMHO - As far as a seller being able to describe a raw coin in the title, I strongly feel they should be allowed to. A number grade is how we grade coins. Period. It was not created by the certification companies, who make money assigning the grade they feel the coin deserves. The numbering grade system has nothing to do with the certification companies. It was created and adopted by collectors as a way to describe coins (and how to value them).

There is no sound reason to refuse a seller the ability to describe the coin in the terms that collectors use.

I give no credence to the idea that some people use that method fraudulently to fool other people so the method can not be used. IMHO - It is akin to saying some bank robberies use an automobile to "make a fast getaway", so no one should be able to use cars.

The seller can state a VF is an XF. Is that different really from saying a VF30 is an XF40? How does refusing a given type of description stop sellers from describing coins improperly using different terms?
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The "real truth" should come out at the risk of my receiving low grades from ICCS. ICCS should be shut down by ebay and ebay Canada until they get a secure package. For this to happen would require many people with a common purpose. Tough, but I don't think it is impossible.
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Eventually we'll see ebay dot ca fall in line with dot com regarding the rules on TPGs and listed grades. But for now it's still a "wild west uncertified coin-fest" for Canadian coins.
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Thousands of ICCS and CCCS coins are sold on ebay every week.Too much revenue for ebay lose.They'll continue the status quo or find a way to accommodate them.
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So its OK to break rules when you dance around whats right or wrong ..Love it ..Well I wont put any in the title because I know better.whether or not .ca has not abided by it or not I myself will not... Some said rules are there for a reason...

I have had some removed before because of this and since then I dont ..Not worth the hassle and or the guys out there who are report happy.... to me ebay is ebay no matter where it is .rules should be the same for all sites..
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Thousands of ICCS and CCCS coins are sold on ebay every week.Too much revenue for ebay lose.They'll continue the status quo or find a way to accommodate them.

Less than 30 thousand including PCGS,CCCS,NGC, and ICCS actually sold on ebay last year. Canadian coins.
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Okay,better change that to listed.
It's still a significant source of revenue.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
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