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If this helps, here are the 4 09-S VDB obverse dies and mintmark positions:  Here's a PCGS picture of the V.D.B:  Regarding the coin you posted, I'm not sure I like the position of the mintmark or the V.D.B--or other details. Something's wonky about this one.  Edited by DVCollector
01/17/2013 1:54 pm
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No it does not look real to me. Right off the S is not right, and on the back the VDB on the S is much stronger than the P.
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Pillar of the Community
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for the record, I don't think it's real either, I just want to hear it from a better informed source than myself. I've seen the mm layout diagram. This coin seems to have evidence of mintmark trickery. under magnifaction there is something that looks like misplaced over the mm. as for the VDB it is very faint and blends into the rim. I can't imagine both vdb and mm are fake however- as 1909 vdb's are common enough.
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It's a 1909 VDB and someone added the S... It's too low to be original, and looks to have tool marks. I've never seen it on a penny buy I have seen Quarters done this way.
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Pillar of the Community
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Fake, possible real VDB with added mintmark.
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I agree with that, real VDB with fake mint mark.
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Out if curiosity on my own part, how are fake mint marks added? You couldn't punch them because it would not look right. So I assume that they would scrape a mint mark off another cent and then transfer it over. Would you solder it or glue it? If it was glued wouldn't it come off in an acetone bath?
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Pillar of the Community
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I also agree that it's fake. The top picture posted shows a circular discoloration around the S, from the counterfeiting process. Actually looks like a S/S mintmark.
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Pillar of the Community
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The 'S' looks suspicious and the 'D' on the reverse looks slanted to the right. However, I do think the dent is authentic.
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Pillar of the Community
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And the 'B' looks bad too.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Yeah...I was wondering about the V.D. B too--perhaps it's just wear but the middle stroke doesn't seem angled right? |
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It's a 1909VDB and someone added the S... I agree, the VDB looks O.K. to me, the 'S' is a fake in my opinion. |
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They take a small area build it up slightly with matching medals, and then take a very precise grinding tool grinding everything but the fake S down and then shaping it. That's why you have a small raised area around the S. It is not a job for the average person, it takes years of experience.
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The VDB does not look strong enough. The V is more faint than the B.
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S is too far right to be die 1, not far enough right to be die 4, and too low to be dies 2 or 3.
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Posted 01/17/2013 1:49 pm
