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1875-S 20 Cent Piece, Please Grade

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I've been negotiating with someone on the following coin. The reverse is obviously pretty worn, but I've seen these pieces go for a good price even in worse shape. What grade would you put on this, and how much would be a fair purchase price in your opinions?

Apologies for the picture quality, but it's the best one I have. Thanks!

-Steve

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Obverse looks G6, but the reverse throws it back to AG3.
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I would give the obverse a VG8 but the reverse looks like G4.

Bet the seller wants $90-$100

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It may be the images, which are not spectacular, but the wear on this makes me a little uneasy. Probably nothing but have you had a chance to look at it in hand and make sure the specs are good?
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G4
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i am with coinskelly, the rims look too well defined when compared to the rest of the wear on the reverse. I'd measure and weigh when in-hand
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I have not seen this coin in hand, I'm dealing with a remote seller. I think I could get it for $45-50, but I'm not sure if I should pull the trigger. Thoughts?
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if its not genuine its not worth more than $2 so you'd be overpaying...if it is thats a decent price range for the coin IMO

Can you return it if you're not thrilled?
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I am not sure if these are highly counterfeited so hopefully someone with knowledge there will chime in.

Looking at Heritage, I see the following sold prices for problem free certified examples:

12/2012 NGC VG10, $94
11/2012 NGC VG10, $94
11/2012 ANACS VG8, $94
11/2012 NGC G6, $79
06/2012 ANACS G6, $79
02/2012 NCG G8, $84
0/1/2012 PCGS G6, $74

I would consider taking a look at the problem free certified and unslabbed sold ones on ebay as well since their prices might be lower. (With Heritage, the buyer pays a premium on top of the sales price.)

IMHO there are many available so you can take your time to make your decision. Just so you know, I tend to be cautious by nature with coin transactions.

Cheers and happy buying!
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Good-4
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I wouldn't pay 50$ for this one. I've seen nicer ones going for ~50$ in the recent few months on ebay.
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I agree with dsfreeworld about the reverse wear pattern. I've never seen a 20-cent piece with such weak legends and a strong reverse rim. If it were worn enough to take out the legend the rim should be worn down as well. I suppose a filled-die error could exist but I'd be suspicious. If the seller gives you a good price (maybe $40 would be OK) AND an ironclad return privilege it might be worth a shot. Otherwise, as mentioned certified examples with good eye appeal (and full legends) are readily available for less than $100.
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A Twenty Cent with an indifferent strike is not exactly uncommon, although I'd expect the obverse to be weaker than the reverse. All the same, I'd be less worried about authenticity than resellability because they're easily found in better condition for not much more money.

It's for that reason I say I wouldn't throw much more than $40 at this one. You can have a slabbed G6 for less than $80, and G4 would be generous for this coin.
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