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New Member
United States
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As you can see I'm fairly new here. I was pouring over the thread archives to see if info I'm wondering about has already been discussed.
It occurred to me that I was gravitating to advice / opinions I wanted to hear and slightly disregarding what I didn't want to hear.
My question is this. Have you ever disregarded advice and opinions here? With good or poor results? What was the subject?
I thought this might make for an interesting thread. I'm looking forward to hearing some experiences.
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Moderator
 United States
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Interesting thread. As you'd surmise, we have collectors of all levels of experience here from raw rookies to internationally-known experts. If you're working on the first couple opinions from people who wander into your thread with a reply, it'd probably be a risk to take any action at all on what you hear. The chance of correct information rises as a function of people who chime in similarly, particularly when they're generally in agreement. But postcount and tenure don't always equate to correctness. Were that the case, I'd never be wrong.  Trust me - nothing could be further from the truth. Certain things about numismatics are objective and fact-based, like varieties, mintages, and prices realized in real-world sales (understanding a_lot of outliers can be found there). Certain other things - grade (within limit), eye appeal, "reasonable" need to apply some conservation effort to a given coin - are more subjective. But if you offer a coin for grading, and six people call it AU50 while one says it's MS65.... If enough advice/opinion is in one place regarding any specific topic for you to say to yourself, "well, most of these people say this," you'll probably regret disregarding it.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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 I'm pretty new to coin collecting (other than the non-serious coin hoarding). and I have nearly 1400 posts... I wouldn't trust my grading most of the time...
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Bedrock of the Community
13014 Posts |
Agree with whats been said above.
I would also add that it would depend on the types of questions being asked for how useful the advice is. What I mean is if you ask a grade the chances are the group opinion will be correct or very close, if youre asking what you should collect or how you should collect that will all just be personal opinions. Its good to hear the ideas and decide what you want to do, but a good amount of collecting is based around individual likes and dislikes.
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Valued Member
Canada
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I also agree, and I have a few more things to add. There are some members here (not going to name names, but none of them have chimed in here,) that usually seem to offer smart-butt responses. Others may not mean any harm, but they may be a bit too blunt at times. This can cause many new members to leave or disregard the opinions of people like SsuperDdave. DON'T! Stick around, you'll learn so much and it's FREE! The only downside is that these people will convince you to spend lots of money on shiny metal objects, and you will find yourself constantly scouring the ground for them, like a Magpie. ;)
Also, don't assume that someone's post count reflects on their knowledge. There are many members here who have great knowledge, but specialize in a certain type of coins, meaning that they only post in certain forums. Sometimes the wise choose to remain quiet. You will learn well, young grasshopper...
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Valued Member
Canada
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Asking for advice is a great way to learn. Aspects that you never imagined may come forward. Sometimes there isn't a clear cut correct answer because a lot of it can be opinion based. And resulting from folks with differing perceptions of what should and shouldn't be. You might have a course of action in mind, and might be looking for re-enforcement of your own thoughts. Receive any advice gratefully. Weigh the factors. And make your decision. But let it be your decision. And never regret it. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Over the years I've found that free advice is what worth what you pay for it. Opinions on the other hand are usually weighted to how well you know the individual giving it. That's why, of the course of my coin collecting history, I have suffered some real set backs and why I taught my kids to do their own research and to be ready to defend their opinion with the why's and wherefore's of whatever they are going to be doing. When they were first learning these lessons there were some bruised egos and feelings but now they know how to form their own opinions.
I wish that someone had done that for me. The only opinion that I ever give anyone on coins is to determine for themselves what makes one coin better than another and to read up on their subject matter.
The last person that I would ever take advice from is a dealer that I have never met before. Therefore in that context I can say that I have gone against the advice of others. There are also times that I had read up better on my subject matter. But then I don't there is a collector who hasn't done that.
One of the threrads that I like here are those about grading coins. The reason that I like them is that it isn't going to cost me money to learn a lesson. When it costs me money that's when I learn the best, but I try to avoid those lessons and do pay attention to the threads about grading.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I completely disagree with what everyone has said. Just kidding - that's one of those smart responses talked about...  Seriously, the thing I would add is that it's great to get opinions but also remember it's your collection, so if you like a coin, that's all that really matters in the end. The best thing about CCF to me is how much you can learn by participating in the discussions. It's invaluable.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The one bit of advise I disregarded here was back about 1.5 years ago when silver and gold looked like they were headed for the stratosphere. I saw a lot of posts by people saying to buy, buy, buy. They were also posting articles and links to articles written by fear mongers and the like touting the same. I shrugged the "professionally" written articles off as mostly just pump and dump scams, and the post written by some of the members merely as sheep being led to slaughter by their own fears. Needless to say I waited for about 6 months was buying silver at around $27 an once instead of the $45+ an once that it was priced at the time.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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"Life is but a walking shadow..." and if you think we all ignore advise at times...you'd be correct. Most times, experience is the teacher as apposed to logic. Peer pressure is a powerful tool for the uninformed. Don't get trapped into listening to bad advice. Get as much information as you can before making the decision. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Advice are hard to share if one lack the knowledge in the particular subject matter, do your own research like ghostrider said, after collecting information/resource as much as possible, you can at least minimize mistakes or decisions.
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New Member
 United States
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This thread has not gone the way I thought it might, but has been a very good read all the same. Solid advice given, tongue in cheek.  Seriously though, I am thankful to the thoughts expressed and grateful to those who have expressed them.
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Valued Member
United States
432 Posts |
This site/family is the best numismatic site on the world wide web. I have learned as much here as I have in any coin guide. I am not much of a talker, and this carries over to my posting, only 300+ in 4 years. I usually look in at least a couple times a day. But I know that if I need opinions on a certain coin, or advice on a collecting issue, there are more than enough knowledgeable and sincere people here to guide me.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1200 Posts |
When you read, sort and sift through what's here, the info you can find in the end can be a valuable component in the set of info sources that you access and use in the self-education process. In addition to what's here---coin/PM dealer and mint websites, coin/PM info websites, coin books and magazines, local coin/PM shops, local coin shows and local coin clubs/club members are also important potential info sources.
I'm only in this game 8 months and I've got 140+ websites bookmarked, but I've only had time to read through half of them. The available books and magazines go far beyond anything I'll ever need (or could ever afford). The amount of info available is staggering. Good luck and happy hunting!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Its too bad there isn't a way to distinguish expert opinions from the rest of us more easily. Perhaps certain trusted users who are forum experts in their series could be awarded special acknowledgement somewhere visable alongside their avatar. For Example: Vermontensium - Expert Old Copper/Colonials SsuperDdave - Expert Morgan dollarsMoe145 - Expert Seated halvesElbesaar - Expert Barber coinageSusanlynn9 - Capped Bust Coinage and so on What do you think?
Edited by Joe2007 01/22/2013 9:30 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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Not to cast any doubt on the quality of the information available here (or anywhere on the internet for that matter), at least for a while, take everything you read here with a grain of salt. The anonymity of the internet can make anybody an expert (or hot blonde, or a pro athlete, or a french model ala a certain insurance company commercial). I agree post count doesn't necessarily make someone an expert. I agree with the group consensus approach. If the majority of opinions expressed to a given question seem to be on the same lines, it's a good bet you've seen good information. Learn to separate fact from opinion. Some will insist their opinion is fact, and not let the truth get in the way of debunking it. As you continue to read, you'll learn to separate the honest opinions and knowledgeable posters from the others. Like everything else, experience is the key. Don't rely on any one source for all your information, especially a message board. Use multiple sources, including good old fashion printed material.
Not quite sure what you're looking for, but as I re-read your post, I can say that while I don't post much (I have reasons, not necessary to air them), I do check the site daily. I'm not an expert (nor any of the other things I mentioned above). I use the approach I just outlined when reading others offers of advice or opinions. Understand that opinions are just that. It's human nature to accept the advise you like, and disregard the stuff you don't agree with. Keep an open mind. While you may not agree with something said, think it through before you toss it aside. Just don't accept as gospel any advice on here that could cost you money. Research any spending completely before committing. I could say buy this or that. I may be Ben Bernacke, or I could just be some deadbeat with nothing better to do than post on internet forums. So always do further independent research before making decisions.
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