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Help With 1828 Half Cent Variety

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Just got my 1828 12 star Half Cent back from NGC...It came back VF-25 C-2...I asked ProfLiz on our TPG forum,,But should have asked here...Is C-2 a rotated reverse? Does it carry any resale premium?...Thank You
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A rotated reverse rarely has any definitive effect on the variety. It's purely a function of where the dies happen to be at that point; in those days they broke loose from their moorings fairly easily. Early copper is noted for some really outstanding rotated dies.

So you could have a C-2 with a rotated reverse, or not. And a rotated reverse, of course, will be obvious. It probably won't carry any premium - aside the premium due to the rarity of the variety - below about a 90-degree rotation, and only that to specialists.
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Thank you Dave...I guess I still dont know what the C-2 means,, and if the coin is more valuable because of it...If you read this could you point me to some good reference material.....My 1806 Half Cent came back C-1 Fine 15...Guess some research is due there also....Thank you again, Dave.......BR
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Those are Cohen varieties, die pair identifications from one of the original catalogers of the series. For reference, look here:

http://ushalfcent.com/
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To summarize from "American Half Cents" by Roger S. Cohen, Jr: 1828 has three varieties.
Variety 1 13 star obverse, Rarity 3
Variety 2 12 star obverse, Reverse shows a berry below the left stand of M in AMERICA, Rarity 2
Variety 3 13 star obverse, with uneven date digits, reverse will show a low you of UNITED, Rarity 1.



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Thanks for your time, PennyGuy!!
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babysitr-

I'm complimented you asked me about your 12-star Half Cent. Sorry it took a while - I've been offline.

The C-2 attribution designates the Cohen-2 Half Cent variety, which indicates the 12-star variety. Die rotation is not usually separated out as a variety, and may or may not be noted on a holder. If your coin has some die rotation, that is cool, but I wouldn't expect it to increase (or decrease) the value.

That said, I should mention that the 12-star variety is my very favorite US coin variety. It resulted from an error when the die maker was applying the stars to the obverse die. He was supposed to punch 7 stars on the left and six on the right - for a total of 13. But he apparently had the kind of mental glitch I so often experience, and he punched 7 on the left and 5 on the right. He centered the 5 very nicely, so it wasn't that he stopped short. He just planned for, and then stamped, only five.

And it says something about the early mint - and the relative importance of Half Cents - that they went ahead and used the die.

Besides the great back story, the beauty of this variety is that one can see it easily with the naked eye. I can even distinguish it without my glasses!

The 12-star variety does bring a nice price premium, probably even a bit more than its rarity merits. In VF-25, it's worth about twice as much as a 13-star example.

So congratulations on a great coin!
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Thank you Dave...I guess I still dont know what the C-2 means,, and if the coin is more valuable because of it...If you read this could you point me to some good reference material..

These collections on the Goldberg website contain almost every Cohen variety.
http://images.goldbergauctions.com/...ng=1&sale=65
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