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1936 Dot Penny?

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 Posted 02/18/2013  7:19 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add cookiecutter to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi fellow CCFers,

I need some help identifying what this is. I was coin roll hunting this afternoon and came across a 1936 penny that appears to have some sort of dot (or raised mark) between the 9 and the 3 that isn't very pronounced, but is there. You can see it more with the camera photo rather than the scan. It's very small, seems like it's been worn down through time. The coin itself is in bad shape, as you can see on on the obverse.

Am I imagining this dot? Is it just an error on the coin? Is this a counterfeit? Is this a rust stain?

Any and all of your expertise would be appreciated. I've tried to get the best pictures, but my macro lens is terrible on my camera

Thanks so much.



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 Posted 02/18/2013  7:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OddCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is something there, but I'm not sure what. As far as I know, all of the '36 dots are accounted for, but you never known...
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 Posted 02/18/2013  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add samsnate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wish I could tell you for sure but I dont know.....I will be watching the thread to find out though!
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 Posted 02/18/2013  7:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john517 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are only 3 known to exist as far as I know purchased for $250.00 in '54 by John Jay Pittman. From what is known no 1936 dot pennies are in circulation. Your coin may have something there but I doubt very much that you have the famed dot variety.
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 Posted 02/18/2013  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add samsnate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
3 "KNOWN" to exist...Known being a key word there.
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 Posted 02/18/2013  7:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Raligard to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unless the dot was somehow added after the coin was minted, it appears to be the right size and in the right location on the surface of the coin. But I am certainly no expert in identifying such things. Good luck!
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 Posted 02/18/2013  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jerry_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could it be?
I've been flipping back and forth between your images and the pic on the "Coins and Canada" site.
I think I'd be getting it authenticated.
Odds are not likely, but who knows?
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I would for sure have a pro look over it. The dot has been known to be faked a few times, but still. I agree with the term "KNOWN" to exist....Could be more out there....Goodluck, my fingers are crossed.
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 Posted 02/18/2013  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadiancoincollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It seems authentic........ But I'm no expert........ Probably best to get a coin dealer to look at it.
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 Posted 02/18/2013  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john517 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 1936 dot pennies were stockpiled because of an overabundance of cents in circulation. They were melted down and used in the '37 new effigy George VI. None ever made into circulation. Dream big but don't get your hopes up.

The dots were added by hand and were about the size of a denticle so I figure you would be able to feel it if you ran your thumb over it.
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You never know. Is there any way you could get a close up of the dot?
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worth checking out looks good
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Send to ICCS, based on previous posts by other 1936 "dot" coin dealers are very hesitant to say anything about these circulated examples. In fear of being wrong on such a major coin, they will most likely say no dot just to be safe
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 Posted 02/18/2013  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cookiecutter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If anybody has any suggestions on how to take a better picture or scan, I can try and post it again. I scanned the existing picture at 2600dpi, then cropped it before optimizing to post. It's an old scanner that doesn't produce very good resolution. You can't really tell there's a dot/nub/bump on it in the scan at all. You can really only see dot/nub/bump when you take a picture of it with a camera or when you hold the penny at a certain angle.

When I look at it facing forward, I see a speck. When I tilt it, I can see more of a bump, but it's very worn down. Compared to the dot between the two "arrowheads" above the date, I can't even feel it. The bump above the "6" in the date is higher profile than the supposed nub/dot. Compared to photos from the internet in which the dot is very prominent, this is not as prominent. Perhaps that's because it's been in circulation and is in very bad shape, and the dot has been worn down. Or maybe it's because it's just nothing but a really rusty 1936 penny.
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certainly on the Kings side it appears to have maybe been a metal detecting find? that ended up in a roll needs to be looked at under a microscope
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