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Acetone And Old Copper Coins

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Probably been asked before so forgive me. I have an 1814 Classic Head Large Cent that I bought from ebay. I am getting ready to place all my type coins in my 7070 and noticed that this one has some clear liquid spots in three places on the obverse. They almost look like mineral oil? Can I clean this coin without risk by giving it a short acetone bath? Thanks.
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 Posted 04/27/2007  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dont put copper coins in acetone. There was a post here somewhere showing the disastrous results of doing so. If you really want to get rid of the spots try some olive oil on a q-tip and rubbing at them gently. Personally I woudln't touch them.
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 Posted 04/27/2007  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
acetone will not hurt copper coins at all, you could leave a copper coin in acetone for months and it wouldn't hurt it
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 Posted 04/27/2007  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I beg to differ.

Read the last paragraph here:

http://www.sunysb.edu/vescalab/rese...search7.html

and here:

Thread 23550 coin_talk_dot_org forum (this forum seems to automatically edit out links to other coin forums.....that seems a little.....tyrannical)

There's enough information available to say that acetone could harm copper that I wouldnt risk it. The first step in all coin cleaning is if in doubt DONT DO IT.
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04/27/2007 7:53 pm
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well I guess if you have never put copper in acetone you just don't know, I myself have put copper in acetone and it did absolutely nothing to ruin the coin at all
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Hi Markn. Tyrannical is a strong term! We reciprocate with forums that reciprocate with us. CT chose chose to not allow links to this forum a few years back. Here's a few examples of those who do...(in fact I do not know of any other forums we do not share links with!) http://www.aussiecoins.net/forum/lo...?FORUM_ID=19 http://forums.collectors.com/catego...cfm?catid=26


Bottom line, we are not tyrants and did not chose this arrangement. We allow links to forums that allow links to ours. We feel this is good for the hobby to have this information exchange. Perhaps those in power at CT could better explain why this is so! Peace, Mike
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I have not taken time to go back over all of the threads that Markn has listed, but I think I have looked at most. It seems that for the reaction to take place that causes problems with copper it requires a catalyst. In this case it is UV rays. Without them, it seem to my old memory, that acetone was acceptable with copper. Please correct me if I am wrong. However, my experience has been the same as Bryan's and have seen nothing change on any copper I put into acetone. Still, because of the threads I have read here, I tend to put my copper into olive oil. Jim
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 Posted 04/27/2007  11:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've read stories over the years about using Acetone on Copper coins and some said one thing and others said just the opposite. So although I've used Acetone many, many times on all types of coins in the past I thought I'd do an experiment on that. I've heard of sunlight, no light, in glass, in open air, closed and on and on with statements without facts. so my experiment started with 72DLincoln Cent, 88D Jefferson nickel, 05 Liberty dime, 77 Roosevelt dime, 80 Washington quarter. All were emersed in a jar of Acetone on April 10, 2007 at 5PM. The jar was covered and placed on a inside window sill. On april 11th at 5PM I moved the glass outside on the same window sill facing South. On april 12th at 3PM I removed all coins from the Acetone, place all on a Red Wood Picnic table to dry, no rinsing at all. Examined all coins with magnifing glass and absolutly no change in any coins. Dipped all coins in Vinegar for one hour and the Lincoln Cent started to have green spots but all other coins, nothing. Must be something wrong with my Acetone. Wonder where I can find this magic Acetone that changes coins.
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 Posted 04/28/2007  12:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting empirical results from everyone. I'll re-iterate what I said above:

quote:

There's enough information available to say that acetone could harm copper that I wouldnt risk it. The first step in all coin cleaning is if in doubt DONT DO IT.



I suggest the OP keep this in mind too.
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OK I understand there is some history behind not linking to another forum. Still it's a pity that their small-mindedness has to affect the free flow of information on this forum. Anyhoo, tt's your forum you can do what you like with it.
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 Posted 04/28/2007  02:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All the threads I've seen about acetone being bad for coins have either been about using it on near mint state coins or they've put the coins in the acetone for far longer than necessary. Don't do either of those things and you should be fine.

Acetone is a powerful solvent. If it doesn't come off after a 30 second swirl (perhaps with gentle rubbing with a cotton swab for thicker globs of paint or varnish) it ain't gonna come off in acetone, so leaving it in there for longer isn't going to do any good.
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 Posted 04/28/2007  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okie-colin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all. Seem this is a topic a lot of folks have different opinions about. The substance on my old cent is almost liquid and I think must have been deposited recently as it has not adhered or caused any damage. This is a somewhat valuable coin so I wanted to be careful. I think I will just blot it off with a q-tip first and if any is left maybe a very quick dip in pure acetone. I have had it in a hard plastic snap Whitman holder and I don't think that is where the oil came from.
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I've used acetone on old copper coins with no adverse results at all ever. I prefer using Xylol (generic is xylene) because it seems to work a bit faster on dirt and biologicals.
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 Posted 04/28/2007  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If anyone tells you that acetone is bad on a coin...they're incorrect! Period. Acetone will remove plastecized elements, like PVC and similar contaminants. If something adverse is hiding under those contaminants, then....yeah...the coin might look even worse. You should use 100% acetone from a hardware store so that it's not contaminated with anything else. Lightly roll a cotton swap over affected areas for higher end coins or lightly use your finger tips to help with the removal on lower strata material (this could adversely affect the coin if you are too harsh). But the acetone alone will not harm your material. I've used acetone many times on all sorts of coins. The worse case scenario is the coin looked no better (other than the times where I was a bit over anxious with a cotton swab or toothpick and messed the surfaces up a tad).
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The naked coin removed of all fingerfat oils may look worse because the oils and dirt may have giving it a nice look

Never ever use ellbow grease
In other words let the acetone do the work even if it takes two days or longer
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