New Liberty Dollar

Hmmmm that is interesting over priced though if it is an ounce.

Nonononono, what haven't they learned! This is guna be a repeat of the last one, just watch.

OK - I have to admit, I felt like jumping for joy.

Why? B/c I am sick of the Federal Reserve and the commie attitude of our government nowadays. I am hoping these new Liberty Dollars take off like before and spread far and wide. I also am glad this will impact the ridiculous anti-American ban that ebay said the FBI set on them in selling NORFED coins.

Even if someone thought the NORFED coins actually were counterfeits - it is not illegal to own them! Banning their selling on ebay is just a disgusting, PC statement.

I cannot say I back everything Nathaus stands for - but as far as our fiat money system is concerned - I believe he is correct. And federal oppressors have no right to tell the American people what they can and cannot use for barter - the power mongers know this but at present have the might to be criminal in their actions.

I also find it interesting that Nathaus has not yet been sentenced (some sort of a record in that state or something like that) and believe it is b/c the Feds know they have done something illegal in the raid - plus they doctored the "evidence" in the trial (yes, I have read the entire document from the trial - how else could I attempt to make an educated opinion?).

So good for whoever is doing this! It is their own risk to take ad at least someone is willing to stand up for the rights we posses - whether or not the powers that be continue shredding the Constitution want to believe we posses these rights or not is immaterial.

It reminds me of a similar situation of when the current admin killed our space program by stopping our shuttles. Now a private US company has the ability to launch space vehicles so we don't have to pay Russia to take our crews into space.

Variety or because they like them basically. Possibly to support that movement as well

When I bought mine Obama had just been ushered into office. History proved it was a no brainer the economy would tank big time, so I knew I people would want PMs and they were going to go up - just common sense.

In the area I live, there is an indoor farmers' market that, at that time, had a machine for dispensing Liberty dollars. This is how I learned of the NORFEDs.

Seeing the prices previous NORFEDs were already bringing (from a numismatic point of view) I did not see how NORFED rounds would decrease in value even if D.C. became pro-American at some point in the future.

Sure enough, NORFEDS still bring higher premiums if sold where collectors can get them. Even the ones I had are selling now for around 45.00 - 48.00 each. While the ASEs are nowhere near this. In the future, I see these as being similar in collectability to other private issued currencies that became popular in their own day.

BTW - I love ASEs!

At the time I was not fully aware of the "political" aspect of them. But as I looked into them more (after I had bought some instead of ASEs), I found myself liking someone's PM based specie idea had taken off.

@Steve:
You may be correct on the Feds being able to get these guys on technicalities of syntax. But from what I understood at the time, NORFED was saying "inflation proof" in terms of a silver dime can still buy, in today's world, the same amount of goods it did in the 60s (maybe a little more). In this way silver backed money is "inflation proof." Its value is not determined by a bunch of bureaucrats who have given themselves an unlimited ability to make as much "money" as they want (since its based on nothing).

Yes, you are correct in that the market bounces up and down, but I think (note that word) that pretty much a silver coin has retained its buying power while the dollar has sunk.

Currently there are many areas where our Constitutional rights are being assaulted. When reading everything I could on the trial - from both sides - the main problem I had with the case against Nathaus is that the FBI's position would allow the government the power to to tell people what they could and could not take as payment for a service/product. Also, the FBI's argument manipulated the data in their favor by showing the large, OZ coins next to an enlarged picture of a Mercury dime in an effort to show how much the NORFED stuff "looked like" US coinage. To me this was deceptive - sort of a white lie.

I aslo agree with you that the new people could make their stuff 12 sided or something would totally erase the ridiculous "counterfeit" idea.

Although I think a 3rd grader can tell the differences of the orginal NORFED oz.s and a real coin easy enough.

Another thing that really bothers me is that by definition a counterfeit is something meant to deceive a person into taking something of lesser value for payment. I find it very interesting that the original NORFED rounds could be called counterfeit from the standpoint that even if someone mistook one for the only coin that vaguely resembles them in size - a Peace dollar - since the NORFED is 1 ounce - it is actually worth more in melt that the Peace dollar! The person would be getting something worth MORE than what they thought it they were. I am sure there is a reason Henning did not make his nickels out o silver!




This may be. But I also have to wonder if the newbies are not just taking the design since it already has such a widespread usage as compared to any other barter currency made? I think the fact that NORFED rounds became so popular (something like 6 million being used at the peak) was the reason the Feds nailed NatHaus, and why the Fed wants to wipe out anything having to do with them from the public eye (such as telling ebay they cannot allow auctions containing NORFED rounds).

Aha, found it! SteveCaruso had an idea about a year ago on putting silver coins back into circulation with "HardCash" cards worth their weight in silver at current prices. You can find this discussion at https://goccf.com/t/127885

less government=more freedom
big government= less freedom
Thomas Jefferson said " A Government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have."
Precious metals are real money. They have not ever lost their value. Right now we are looking at their value in relationship to a manipulated lie called fiat currency. It's no wonder that value is so volatile. Just like any lie it grows and they have to keep making more. We all know what happens to lies in the end. Keep saving your real money,I say. Let them keep printing the lies. Hold on to your principles. We can make this country strong again. Soon people will be looking for real leaders, and principled men can step into the vacuum.

Regardless of who said it, It is true. You can quote me on that. People can manipulate anything including silver. That does not change the fact that the federal reserve is creating currency out of nothing, backed by nothing but lies and promises, and inflating exponentially. It simply factually cannot and will not last. My point is that silver will still be valuable when our dollar is worth nothing.