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Pillar of the Community
Hong Kong
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Edited by wonghinghi
03/12/2013 04:50 am
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Pillar of the Community
France
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Considering the edge, this one looks like a fame to me : the circles are squares, and are not regular.
Swamperbob, is that a Birmingam type ?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I personally have serious concerns that coin is not genuine, the edge is off as well as other obvious features.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I have a 1806 8 Reals that had been holed and used for a necklace sometime in the past.
I removed my coin from long term storage last week when I came upon a thread here that mentioned they believed there were more fakes then genuine 8 Reals from this time period.
My coin differs from wonghinghi's coin as my coin does have the dot between REX and ME (not Mo) which I assume is the mint mark.
The next time I take photos for CCF I will post them here to find out if what I have is genuine or a contemporary counterfeit, and since I don't know much on World Coins other then what's in the Krause Catalog, should there be any pick-up-points to photo, please contact me at vernonpeterson [@@@@] gmail [dot] com in the next day or two.
Edited by Broken-Coin
03/12/2013 12:44 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Well, I would think that's definitely authentic use/patina that the 1806 displays, as opposed to intentional tumble-wear/artificial toning.
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Pillar of the Community
 Hong Kong
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Thank you all of your input. I own over 20 Latin American portrait 8R but no one like this (without a dot between REX and Mo), I hope anyone owns a similar coin can post it here for a further discussion.
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Pillar of the Community
Hong Kong
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I just do a S.G. of this coin today; it is 10.228 (corresponding to 86% Ag in my system). I am now confident to say this is a Class 2 counterfeit but the last question needed to be clarifed : where was this coin be minted? Would swamperbob leave a comment on this coin? Henry
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The coin is a Class 2 silver Counterfeit - the edge variety is well known to me. The SG is great.
The coins were made to be used for payments made to Chinese merchants AFTER 1830. These are exactly the type that have been returning from China since silver prices rose.
They always test near 90% silver (over 80% usually) and typically have these bad edges like the squared circle type.
They are OLD (production ceased before 1935) some can not be distinguished from originals because the silver was mnined before 1870. Many were made in the US but England, the Netherlands and France all restruck the coin for trade use. It was a great way to make an extra 10-20 percent on raw silver.
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Pillar of the Community
Hong Kong
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Thank you your reply, swamperbob.
Did the squared circle edge a sign of Class 2 restrike at that era? Was such an edge typical for any mint? Would your book show more about the examples of those Class 2 restrike.
I am wondered that why such "crude" design of the edge was still accepted by the Chinese merchants. By common sense, does this mean the old Chinese merchants only cared about the silver content rather than those 8R were restrike or not. On the other hand, there seemed to have no secret to do the restrike of the 8Rs, this restrike was an open business at that era? What care about by the West and the East was the content of silver!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The book will have quite a few edges and comments about typical counterfeit Class 2 and Class 1 edges.
You are correct that the silver content was the actual value and the restrikes were treated as if they were real as long as they passed the SG test done by the schroffs.
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