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1932 And 1933 Florin

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 Posted 03/14/2013  9:38 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Rwichy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Greetings!
I usually keep snorkeling in this forum because I collect mostly Chinese coins. However, I got a pair of Australian Florin dated 1932 and 1933 recently. I know they are rare, but am not an expert on Australian coins at all. Based on my general knowledge on coins, I do not see anything wrong on these two coins, but I believe people in this forum knows much more than me. Any comments are welcome. Much appreciated!

1932 Florin: 11.175g (catalog 11.31g), 28.5 mm (catalog 28.5mm)
1933 Florin: 11.143g (catalog 11.31g), 28.5 mm (catalog 28.5mm)

1932-And-1933-Florin

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 Posted 03/14/2013  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The design looks pretty convincing. The weight is pretty close and may well be your scales out a little. The diameter is spot on.

The colour is strange but possibly from poor storage. The 1932 obverse has some strange little bumps on the rim below GEOR which look suspiciously like metal poor points. The coin doesn't look cast but those little lumps concern me a little.

All up I think they look OK.
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 Posted 03/14/2013  10:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oh my florin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry mate although the weight and the diameter look right I dont think the coins are real most notably because of their worn condition but if you have a look at the rims they are perfect showing no signs of genuine wear. Could be wrong though? hope you didnt pay to much for them?
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 Posted 03/14/2013  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rwichy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Enworb

Sorry I do not know how to reply a specific member... Thank you for your comments! The 1932 coin has a light dark toning, more accurate on the 3rd picture. The other pictures have light on and change to a little bit yellow. But I totally agree with you on the little bumps on the rim could be suspicious, but I do not know if that happens normally.
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 Posted 03/14/2013  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rwichy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
oh my florin: Thank you! Could you explain more about "no sign of genuine wear on rim"? I am not quite knowledgeable on that..
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 Posted 03/15/2013  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with enworb that those bumps on the 1932 are cause for suspicion.
I think what oh my florin is saying is that the rims look much less worn than you'd expect for such circulated coins.
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 Posted 03/15/2013  11:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinManTim to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

All is not lost; in your initial post you state you collect Chinese coins. You may have, by chance, collected two more ;)

That said, I can't comment on their authenticity.
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 Posted 03/15/2013  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Unicorn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 03/15/2013  11:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add robster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That would be my 'two bobs' worth.!!
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 Posted 03/16/2013  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MobOfRoos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I dont think the coins are real most notably because of their worn condition but if you have a look at the rims they are perfect showing no signs of genuine wear.


Rwichy, before you throw away these coins. I've just checked a few of my worn KGV florins (from different sources) and many of them look the same as yours. In fact all of them had the same looking rims.

So I am prepared to call your coins as genuine
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 Posted 03/17/2013  12:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Having has a second look I would also be leaning towards genuine.
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 Posted 03/17/2013  01:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oh my florin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey sorry for the long reply been away since friday. what I mean by no genuine wear on the rims is tthat generally a coin which is heavily worn like these ones nearly always have dents or nicks on the rims which are easily visible but yours show abosolutely no signs of this and from what I have heard of fake coins is that they arnt trying to imitate the higher grade coins which you can easily see parts of the design missing (which is only attributed to being a fake) but instead they are making these coins but then making them seem as if they have been worn (resulting in a higher chance of passing them on).
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MobOfRoos, enworb, oh my florin
Thank you for your comments! I will keep the coins and probably send them to third party grading later.
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 Posted 03/17/2013  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These coins have been been out of circulation for a long time, you would not expect otherwise. Toning has developed over the whole of the coins evenly since then.
I would think that if you did a comparative ring tone test, you should find them 'spot on'.
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G'day Rwichy, I hope you can understand the 'caution' that the other members are expressing here as the 1932 would have to be one of the most copied coins in the influx of copy coins coming from China.

Below are some pics I grabbed from a chinese site not that long ago ....

How would you like your florin ..... lustred or toned.

(Probably won't be long until they have them complete with verdigris).

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Hi sel_69l, thank you for your suggestion!
Other than the 1932 and 1933 coins, I also have a 1910 Florin. All of these coins are obtained from different sources during my collection. I tried the ring tone test and they are sound the same to me. I personally believe that they are made of same metal.
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