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Do any of you specifically know what constitutes the "1805/4" overdate Mexico 8 Reales that Krause lists? I've seen a few different options billed as such, notably the two types shown in the attached photo. The first piece shown definitely has something under the "5" - a shadowing bar by the upper left portion of the digit. I wonder, though, if that's not just a repunched digit, as there really isn't much other evidence of an erased "4" in that closeup... YET I want to say that I actually have one piece of this type (buried deep in the stash, would have to search for it) where you DO see some other signs of a "4"? The second example seems more certainly to be a 5/4. Is it possible there were at least TWO overdate obverses? Also, I know 1805 is kind of a linchpin date for Bob's bullion restrikes, and probably not coincidentally, the 1805/4 overdate, a wide 1805, and a narrow 1805 are all catalogued...  |
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I have a coin that looks almost identical to this except it is 1821 and name is different it says ferdin vii. But back of coin is same would you happen to know a round about value...mine is in great condition
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Dwelch
You are going to need to post pictures for us to give you a value. 8 reales coins with the image of Ferdinand VII were minted at many locations in various countries so we would need to see the coin to determine mint of origin. On the reverse side, what does your coin say between "REX" and "8R"
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It is coincident that I also care about this 1805 portrait dollar but about the edge of the coin. See the link: https://goccf.com/t/149217For my coin, I don't see any traces of restrike for the year "1805". See the picture below:  In return, I want to ask realeswatcher and jfransch, do you coin show the same edge irregularity as mine? Henry |
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Jfransch... OK, so yours perfectly matches Piece #2 that I showed. It even has the same blob of extra metal above his head... That piece clearly is a 5 over a 4. What then do you make of Piece #1 that I showed? It obviously has "something" there (from the die), some sort of overstrike - but is it another (?!) 5/4, or simply a repunched digit? Henry, I don't own either of these pieces (both pieces are recently ended ebay listings)... I have several 1805 pieces, but not conveniently at hand (Hurricane Shop and Drop has severely affected my accumulation recently...). As Bob pointed out in regards to yours and his own original Boston piece... many 1805 are very crude around the rims (including the edge pattern, apparently). You often find 1805 8R that are slightly flattened at the rim areas abutting the edge overlaps, resulting in missing detail and planchet stress cracks. Same is true for the years immediately around that (e.g., 1804). Bob has detailed his observations on the long (multiple segment) edge overlaps before. Search the World forum for 8 reales overlaps or similar and some of those should come up. |
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I'm not a specialist in coins of Mexico, but I do collect overdates. The horizontal stroke of the "4" to the right of the 5 appears to be a marker for the 5/4. The OP's coin is perhaps a retooled "5"?  |
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DVC
You should look into Spanish Colonial 8 Reales, there are dozens of beautiful overdates in the series.
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Jfransch, I would--if I could tell a "real" Real from a copy--I doubt I will ever get there.  |
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DVCollector Easy to learn how to tell. First take the Swamperbob "masters degree in numismatic Counterfeit Detection" class offered here on the CCF and then spend a lifetime looking at 8 Reales at coin shows and coin stores. After about 10 years you will feel comfortable acquiring some coins. My collection has been 36 years in the making and there are only a few counterfeits that have slipped past me, mostly acquired when I was young and inexperienced. After a while you get a "feel" for the coins and learn to pass on anything that makes the hair stand up on your neck. I also only buy coins I can hold in my hand first, I stopped the ebay "buyer beware game" back when they stopped letting bidders talk to each other. I bought a few, returned most as fakes and then decided it was not worth my time. |
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After about 10 years you will feel comfortable acquiring some coins. Really...that's all?  Joking aside...I'm a patient guy, but not by that much. Just a couple years of collecting (all genuine) 19th C. Swedish coins has made me fairly knowledgeable about their overdates. I'll leave the Spanish colonials to people far better suited to the task.  |
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Jfransch. Hey they coin says Zs on it and do you know of a for sure way to post pics from a iPhone
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United States
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Zs stands for Zacatecas mint, so your coin is most likely a royalist issue from during the war for independence. I am not familiar with Iphones so I cannot comment on the picture question. I don't even have a camera, I use a flat plate scanner to take images of my coins
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