1889 Straits Settlement 50 Cent Fake Or Real ?

I think in this case its tough saying according to this ebay buying guide

http://www.ebay.com/gds/Coin-Fake-D...91064/g.html

mine would be a fake because the S is cut and the 50 is located higher.
But its an 1886

I have been looking online for various specimens 1889 and other dates that have been sold and I found a lot of them show the traits of what the ebay buying guide states as fakes I actually found only 2 that do not which where both 1889 one proof specimen and one graded by ngc as xf40.

As far as I can tell the details match but there is one thing that looks suspicious.

I would say this coin would grade in the vf range maybe a 30.
But I cant see any rubbing points on the high relief points of this coin which would be present normally right. Like on the cheeks or the hair / crown.

So I got this coin together with an 1763 Great Britain north umberland shilling from the same seller and I can tell you the shilling is fake.. It shows a lot of the attributes the fakes do and most evidently the coin was die struck not milled.
Why was it die struck well I looked at it with a strong light and it actually had a cartwheel effect which is pretty much impossible for a milled coin.

anyway the seller of these 2 coins got back to me and assured me that his coins are genuine and that he has been collecting for over 30 years. Well the shilling was fake so....

i dont know I guess I will get it graded by ngc but I would still like to hear more from you guys what do you think ?

I checked the krause catalog and. It does match but with one exception.

http://www.ebay.com/gds/Coin-Fake-D...91064/g.html

The coin in the catalog has the same alignment as the genuine specimen in the ebay buying guide.
It does not cut the S in half and the 50 is at the right spot whereas my coin does cut the S in half
and the 50 is a little bit higher.

here is mine if it helps

After Some extensive research. I found out that there are 2 variations of the 50 cents from straits settlements.

I looked at different dates and especially after 1889 most if not all specimen are like mine or the user serials with the exact
same features. I have checked all the lettering and there are lots of differences between those 2 variations.

Seeing that other coins with different dates match exactly with my specimen actually makes me believe that it looks genuine

I will get it graded and ill keep you up to date since I think this is pretty interesting.

Of course more additions to this are very welcome :)

here is my other coin and some better pics of my 1st one

Ok things have cleared up. The coin is fake.

found one interesting coin.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/PERSIA-PERS...AOSwG-1Wv3t~