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Might Have Found A 1943 Steel Penny Error. Opinion?

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I am a new collector and looking for some help. I received some steel pennies and one I located was seperate and more secured from the rest of the collection. Hoping I found something nice. In the first pic is one of my run of the mill 1943 D's for comparison. I am using a camera phone... Sorry, best I can do at the moment. You can see nothing out of the ordinary and the D appears clearly. In the 2nd and 3rd pic is the coin I'm interested in. Two different lightings in pic 2 and 3. It's in much better condition then my other steels and the reflection was a factor with the cam phone. Reason for two pics. The area in question is the mint mark. Could this be a possible double die? Or a filled S? I believe I can make out an S under magnification. I find it hard to believe this happened due to wear based on the condition of the coin. Opinions? Thanks so much! Loving this site!


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It will be impossible to give you any good feedback on your coins in question due to the picture quality. There is a thread with Coin Photography tips on this site that might be able to help you. Ill try to find it and post in for you.
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In the first pic is one of my run of the mill 1943 D's for comparison.



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In the 2nd and 3rd pic is the coin I'm interested in. Two different lightings in pic 2 and 3. It's in much better condition then my other steels


I'm far from being an expert on these, but I think your best coin is the 43D.

My guess is that the 43S has been re-plated.
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I also was leaning towards the 43-S as being a
reprocessed cent (replated)
However the coins fields seem o.k. (normal)
One quick check would be to look at the coins outer
edge on the rim all around. If it is shiny as the rest of the coin then most likely reprocessed. If not, and it looks duller
you may have a nicer problem free steely. Better closer pics.
of the date/m.m. as well as of the reverse would be helpful though also.
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The high points is one of the things I look for on re-plated steel cents. In these photos, I see some wear at the top of Lincoln's ear. I really can't tell on the 43D, but I do see it on the 43S. A coin with that much wear shouldn't look so "shiny" in my opinion.

The 43D hasn't been re-plated in my opinion. The spotting in the fields are probably rust...that will eventually break through the zinc coating.
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I'm glad I posted. I didn't even know about replating. Ill see if I can get some better pics up of front, edge and back.
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Here are two more pics with the flash off so the "shine" isn't over emphasized. The edge does have a duller finish although cant really tell in photo so well. One interesting thing is the fine line details in the wheat seem to be comparable to my known unplated steels. I would have thought these lines would have lost some definition if plated. Again, I am a novice. I know in the pic the fine lines in wheat are harder to distinguish towards the top, but they are uniform throughout.


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Keep in mind, the thickness of this plating is measured in molecules; it's not going to affect detail.
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I was able to look under high magnification and it appears to be a normal S, not DD. That being the case, if it is replated, does that devalue the coin? Or can I grade and value as normal?
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Replating pretty much makes it worthless.
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Replating pretty much makes it worthless.


Not that it is worth that much anyway.
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What I assumed, but figured I'd ask. Luckily that is my only one that appears plated if it is. Thank you everyone for all the help!!!
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The metal stock used for the steel cents was plated with zinc and then the blanks were punched out. Many steel cents suffered from premature rusting due to the edge left as raw steel. When a steel cent is reprocessed/replated, the edge also gets plated with zinc. Due to the unique WWII history of the 1943 cents, many of them have been replated and sold in "coinage of WWII" or other similar sets by marketing companies.
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The re-plating also adds a distortion of the devices. Depending how the coin was cleaned/buffed/or plated over rust/dirt, this distorts the finish. Making it appears a something was there. Kind of like re-painting over texture on a wall. The more paint added to the wall, the lest detain of the texture underneat. Remove an old cabinet that has bee painted around for years and note the difference between the before and after affect of the layers of paint. These are pretty much useless as a collectable after they have been re-plated.
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