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Is There A Formula For What Dealers Generally Pay For Spot?

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 Posted 05/21/2007  12:26 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Morganator to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Where do dealers determine what they will pay for
spot silver, etc. Is there a sheet that they look at to determine
a going pay rate or is it just arbitrary, or do they use something like kitco to gauge what they will pay out?
Sounds like an obvious question, but I was just wondering what margin dealers work on with this.
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 Posted 05/21/2007  01:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Probably somewhere along buying at 95% spot and selling at 105-110% or more. Depends on what coins they are buying, as well as what condition they are in. But hey, if dealers are buying 1 ounce of gold coin for example and that's a difference of around 10%, that's around 60 dollars profit.
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 Posted 05/22/2007  4:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add inacoffeebuzz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just traded an American Silver Eagle Unc (common year) and received $14.50, which I added $1.50 to in order to buy a 2007 ASE. The prevailing rate I see is that dealers pay around spot plus $1 - 1.50 and sell at $3-4 over spot. Most dealers sell the 2007 ASE Unc for $16-$17.50, with outliers being volume dealers ($15.50 is the lowest I have seen if you purchase 1,000 from one precious metals dealer) and expensive hobby shops (which they show at $20 or $25 or even more).
This is just based on observation.
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It depends on the source of the precious metal bullion. Typically government issued bullion such as U.S. ASE carry spot or higher prices, reputable mining company bullion (such as sunshine)carry about a 5% discount to spot, and smaller mining company bullion I've seen anywhere from a 10% to 20% discount to spot.
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 Posted 06/28/2007  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FroDaddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
what does the term "spot" mean?
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I think it is the current market price for 1 oz of (silver, gold, platinum, palladium). The price changes day to day based on trade.

I could be wrong.
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Spot as I understand the term is to mean what the current price per ounce of silver, gold, platinum etc is selling for on the market. If I'm wrong someone please correct me.
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Yep you got it.

Also others sometimes call it "melt value"
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inacoffeebuzz
is really close on the price for ASE on the average. I know that my dealer Buy common date ASE at 1.00 under and sells for 2.00 over. But it also depend because some bullion dollar most all sell at different percentages. I also know I get around 90% of spot for most of my round or bars and they sell for a few cent above spot. Next time I go into the coin shot I will get some of the price diffence of each country.
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So how would you get spot, or close to spot price, on ASE's? Would you need to buy 1000 of them from the mint?
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you can only buy ASE from dealer the Mint only sells the Proof and the New Unc. ones but the that would be close to bullion price you would have to get form a dealer. But sometimes if you buy a grean monster which I beleave are 5000. coin then you cna get close to spot. I think your best bet is to try to buy your ASE when sliver is low and then sell when it goes higher. like two days ago would of been a good day to buy. when silver what closed at 12.24. it is very hard for use no dealer to get close to spot. My best sugestion would to find a dealer close to you and see if he changes his price daily with the change of spot. and then what for a low day and go in a buy some.

there is a link at the left side of the page where you cna check spot when ever you want.
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I know this is a little off topic but if you want to add spot prices to you bar on the bottom of your computer then he is a link for a download. I have it on my Laptop and I really like to watch it sometimes.

http://kcast.kitco.com/
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 Posted 06/28/2007  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In reality that question is almost funny. Kind of like asking if there is a realistic used car dealer. Coin dealers will offer you what they think you would part with something for and if you don't take that, they may go higher. I know many coin dealers and they would offer you a cent for a pound of Gold if you would take it. Example was a recent coin show I witnessed a person with a large bag of Mercury dimes talking to a dealer and overheard him saying I'll give you double face value sight unseen. The dumy took it. A coin dealer would just make you an offer for a lump of silver based on what you look like over what it is worth. Not intending to insult coin dealers but all the ones I've ever seen, known, talked to fall into the above catagory.
In the downtown area of Chicago on Wabash Street there is a building known for jewlry companies, stores, etc. I've gone through the place many times and talked to some of the people there just for the fun of something to do during lunch. They too would give you so much less than anything you think or have seen documented you'ld think you were being robbed.
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Well that is the name of the game most times - buy low, sell high.....if you can get away with it.
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The dealer I trade with gives me $0.20 below whatever Kitcosilver.com says when I come in (he calls that "spot"). He sells for $0.20 over "spot". Just the other day I was able to get close to $13 for 50 ounces I took in and just two days later it was hovering around $12.14! Go me!
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