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I have found quite a number of these filled numbers and letters in four basic different configurations. I have not taken photos yet, but I could if I need to. I am thinking that these are quite common since I have found this many (Am I correct?)
I am also thinking that this kind of feature adds no extra value - correct?
All of the coins within each type are identical. I am thinking that this means that they all came from the same die - correct?
I have listed the finds. In organizing them, I have simply labled them as Types 1-4 along with a description:
Type 1 â€" OBVERSE â€" Lower curve of S in PRESIDENT filled and tops of 8s in 1885 filled.
Position A â€" 9 Coins
Position B â€" 27 Coins
Type 2 â€" OBVERSE â€" Top of first 8 in 1889 filled
REVERSE â€" Top of first S in STATES filled
Position A â€" 7 Coins
Position B â€" 8 Coins
Type 3 â€" OBVERSE â€" Top of first 8 in 1889 filled
Position A â€" 2 Coins
Position B â€" 2 Coins
REVERSE - no fills
Type 4 â€" OBVERSE â€" Top of first 8 in 1885 filled
Position A â€" I Coin
Thanks for any responses.
Pete
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I took a couple of photos...I know that I must
find a better way to take these photos - especially with these very shiny coins! I have substitued 2 photos which are a bit better than the first 2. This is what I have called "Type 2". The OBVERSE is also identical to "Type 3" In my next post, I'll include photos for the other 2 Types.   Edited by Pete2226
06/14/2013 4:41 pm
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"Type 1" Photos:    And the following are images of "Type 4"    I have also noticed that filled numbers and letters have sold on ebay...so there might be a small premium in these. Pete |
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I'll check my Clevelands this weekend. I don't recall seeing anything like yours though. Are the filled devices from die gouges or Die Deterioration? |
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Quote:Are the filled devices from die gouges or Die Deterioration? My guess would be Die Deterioration - it appears as if the portion of the die which would have been the center of the 8 or the loop in the S has just broken off. I was hoping that an expert on the site could say what happened. I am only a novice in understanding all of this!  Let me know what you find when you check. Pete |
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Looks like die chips to me,somewhat common. John1  |
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John1 - can you explain the difference between a die chip and the description I gave of what I thought might be happening? Thanks, Pete |
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I also have another question - some of these coins have areas on them that look like "water spots". What are they called and what causes them? (See the last image I posted). Also, is there any way to remove them?
Thanks,
Pete
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I have found these die chips in numbers and letters on the new quarters too but they do not seem to have a big following in the error collecting community yet. Someday they will so I would hold onto any of them you find. I don't know what you are referring to with type 1 2 or 3 but die chips can happen in the exact same place on different die pairs. I am sure it would be hard to tell if they came from the same dies unless you can find other die markers. It is very possible that they are from the same die if found in the same UNC roll though.
Kris
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Thanks, Kris - I explain the types in my first post on this subject - it is nomenclature I made up for the purpose of cataloguing.
Pete
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Pete, I am no pro and have trouble "splanin" my self so we will need to wait for a pro to chime in.As for the water spots they can not be removed and are caused by the cleaning process at the mint. John1 |
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That's ok, John1 - I am thinking that my explanation might be the way a die chip forms inside the letters and numbers.
Also, I am wondering if "water spot" is the correct term for that feature? The term itself does not appear in the Glossary.
Pete
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I don't know if water spots is the correct term but it is the term that I have always heard and use.If I remember right the mint cleans the planchets before sticking and if the planchets are not rinsed off properly the residue gets pressed into the coin. John1 |
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FYI, I know per 1970 proof coins had a problem with "milk spots".You might want to research that term. John1 |
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Thanks, John1 - that is the term...here is one thread discussing it: https://goccf.com/t/133895I also found another discussion where the suggestion was that they could be removed with a mild eraser - I might try that!  Pete |
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removed with a mild eraser That would be consider a harsh cleaning and would remove any potential value IMHO,i do not recommend it. John1 |
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