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1858 5 Cent - What Is This Long Line?

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This coin has been in my collection for a while. I bought it initially assuming the long line was a scratch. Took a closer look the other day, and it runs right "under" the design, so it's definitely not a post mint damage scratch.

The line is incuse, but there is also an raised area part of the way along this line (just above the date touching the 5 and ending above the 8).

Struck through a piece of wire or something else perhaps?

I'm also not up to date on 1858 5c varieties, so any attribution help would be great as well. Thanks.

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 Posted 06/24/2013  4:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I vote for planchet flaw.
Struck through would affect the letters.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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There is some nice die cracks on that coin too at 10 and 2 o'clock as well as above the crown.
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Struck would affect the letters.


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Possibly a scratch (somebody playing with a knife?) and worn off on the high points?
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That appears to be a thousand dollar+ scratch. Too bad.
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Planchet flaw is the best explanation I've heard so far. I'm pretty sure this isn't a post-mint damage scratch based on how it runs under the raised areas.
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It's a scratch.
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Send it to Regitko, must be the burrowing strike through of a molten planchet, he would authenticate it as such then worth a bunch.....
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Looks like a scratch to me
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Scratch. You can even get a sense of direction from which way this coin was scratched, from the lack of scratch in the lee side inside of the C of CENTS and the stoss side of the 5 in the date (scratchy tool went from rim inwards). kuh_85 nailed it - the scratch on the higher points is worn off, just like the leaf elements, crown and even the die crack at 10 o'clock.

(As an aside, I study glacial flow indicators, and like glacial striations on bedrock, each scratch has a story to tell....)
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Great 5 cent,,,(except for those nasty deep scratches) It almost looks like they were scratched manually and on purpose.

Definitely a late die state with the great DC's at 2 and 10 o'clock from the rim to leaves and that small DC from rim to crown. I have one with a larger DC to crown also.

Would that be graded "Small Date EF 40 with scratch" ...?

That Obverse is very very nice too....and only shows a touch of wear.
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I'm still not 100% sold that it's just a PMD scratch. If it were scratched this badly after being struck, I'd expect there to be more evidence on the relief, especially through the C. The coin itself is weakly struck, has nice lustre of an EF-40 quality coin. Not really worn down enough to totally eliminate evidence a scratch like this.

I'd also expect there to be a small gap in a PMD scratch as it jumped over the raised relief/lettering if it were scratched with light pressure (enough to maybe get worn away from mild circulation). But the line resumes unhindered under the reliefed parts.

I do see what appears to be a tiny dent into the number 5. So far this is the only evidence I see that could make me call this a PMD scratch.
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Send it to CCCS. If it is not a scratch I will pay for the hole shot. (hard holder.)
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Too bad that the line/scratch goes 'to and into' the "all important" top of the left side of the five. Nice coin..!!

Time for a huge clear blowup of the top of the 5 ..and other parts,..because my old eyes can't really see all of the important "stuff".
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If it was a defective planchet or scratch on the planchet, prior to the strike, you would see only preservation on the devices, and not the fields (opposite of what you see here)... Think of what elements are preserved, with the double struck coins we sometimes see here, as examples.
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