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1846 Large Cent Tall Date Line Through 1 N.13? 23? 25? 26?

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Late dates are tough for me! But I just found this yesterday. 1846 Tall Date Line through 1. Can anybody tell me which Newcomb # I may have here?

1846-Large-Cent--Tall-Date-Line-Through-1-N.13?-23?-25?-26?

1846-Large-Cent--Tall-Date-Line-Through-1-N.13?-23?-25?-26?

1846-Large-Cent--Tall-Date-Line-Through-1-N.13?-23?-25?-26?
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I agree with your findings. A quick look at my Grellman book narrows it down to N-13, N-23, N-25, or N-26.

Can you see a spike from the dentils through the right top of T in UNITED? I think I see something but it's not clear enough. If so, this might be N-23. That's a guess by an amateur!

I'll try to look closer at the reverses later today. As you know, the late years are not easy to attribute so we may need an expert.
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Yes the late years can be very difficult to attribute! I do not see that spike on the coin. I will keep looking!
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worst case scenario you have an R3 on your hands.
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Any other pick up points that are good to look for to determine die pair? There are no major breaks or Cuds. Maybe something related to the denticles? I do not own any books, unfortunately
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Any other pick up points that are good to look for to determine die pair?


I don't see anything and because the coin is porous many of the detailed markers may not be visible. Maybe you can pick up one of these based on having the coin in hand or someone more talented than me can help.

N-13 Are there lines joining 'U' to the ribbon tip?

N-23 Other than the spike I mentioned earlier everything else is minor and may be hidden by the porous surface.

N-25 Is there a short spur up from the right top of the first T in STATES?

N-26 Is there crumbling filling the N of UNITED and perhaps joining NI to the leaf below?

I just want to mention that the Grellman book is great and well worth the money. Bob sells the book directly. I actually got to have a brief phone conversation with him and he is a great guy.


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It just may be the N.25 There is trace of what may have been a spur at the top of the 1st T in States. but again difficult to determine. There IS a noticeable spur at the top right of the 2nd T in States leading up to the dentils
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There is a line up from the first S in States if that helps!
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This one may not be attributable due to the rough surfaces wiping out the faint diagnostic features. You've nailed the obv but identifying the reverse from pictures may be impossible.
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Took some close up pics of certain points on the reverse, and just sent an email to Grellman. Hopefully It can be determined. The coin is not mine, Just trying to help a good friend!
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What did Mr. Grellman have to say? I may have given you an order form for my book, too! Like, "one free attribution is on me". Anymore and you have to get the book!
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I will second the Grellman book, and the Newcomb book, and the Noyes volumes! Just won my first Noyes volume on ebay tonight - can't wait to get it.
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Noyes books are absolutely awesome. What did it set you back?
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I think I got a steal on it, as I've been looking for quite awhile for a set of the Noyes books, $78.25 for the 1816-1839 volume (Red leather cover). Most times I find them they are priced at $100.00+ per volume. Got it from Kolbe & Fanning on ebay. I bid a little over that but won at a fair price.

My EAC library is growing pretty quick. The Grellam book is fantastic, and I am slowly going through the Newcomb book, a bit harder to read as it's hand written. My favorite EAC book so far with out a doubt is Manley's Half Cent Die States - that is the bar all variety books should be written to achieve. Breens Encylopedia of Half Cents is also pretty good. Looking forward the the Noyes books as I've read so many good things about them. I feel before I go off into buying EACs I should up my knowledge quite a bit in this area.

My numismatic library is already pretty large around 700-1000 books, and auction catalogs (and I sold or disposed of more than 40 file boxes of auction cataloges, after many years of carting them around). I did manage to keep the most of the really good ones though. That was pre Internet days, and I couldn't give them away back then, no school or coin club wanted them, same went for an almost complete set of Sky & Telescope magazines (now early copies sell for $50.00 and up on ebay)! I put them all into a paper recycling bin, ouch. Oh well live and learn.
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You did very well! I suggest you go ahead and buy a few coppers too so you will have examples in your hand to compare with the books variety discussions. I don't mean $500 coppers but you can do well with a few less than $50 coins because it will make it real instead of theory so to speak. I will check into the Manley book since you recommended it.
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I already have a hand full of them to attribute. I find the late dates quite difficult if they are worn much beyond a nice VF, even then they can be tough. I will be joining the EAC in the near future (something I should have done decades ago)!

Lately my collecting has been almost all numismatic books (not a bad thing either). As the really good reference books seem to keep creeping up in cost, might as well shoot a few of the better ones down now before the become unobtainable, and unaffordable

Been thinking of dumping my Morgan dollar VAM collection to raise funds in the EAC area. I see Morgans as coins that will always be available in the future, but the early coppers are getting really hard to find and the cost has begun to sky rocket. Besides they have a certain history I enjoy and copper is more pleasing to me as a collectible anyways.
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