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1885 Nickel Proof Or Bu?

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Below are 3 stitched photos of obverse of subject nickel. My microscope camera provides better detail of coin, but been unable to stitch entire obverse. Has been TPG'ed 3 times; 1981, 1998, and 2006. First graded MS prooflike, then MS, and last graded proof. What do you think?

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 Posted 07/19/2013  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add magicalmke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm thinking proof. The details, especially the stars are very sharp which is more consistent with a proof. Few circulation strikes will have total splits on all stars.
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I'm also with Proof.
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I think this is a proof
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Why would anyone crack this out when slabbed as MS?
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It does have a proof appearance, but the rims don't say proof to me. The rest of the look does. Tough one, I think proof is probably correct. But I'd want another proof in hand to examine side by side and look for any die markers that would conclusively tell.
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It does have a proof appearance, but the rims don't say proof to me. The rest of the look does. Tough one, I think proof is probably correct. But I'd want another proof in hand to examine side by side and look for any die markers that would conclusively tell.


This, exactly. Everything but the rims scream, "Proof!"
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Judging from these photos, I'd say proof.
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I should have kept original PCGS grade MS65. Was new into coins and most told me it would grade better. Next grading came back in flip as MS environment damage. Now slabbed as proof 65. Seen many other Lib nickels that were MS now regraded proof. Seems to be a trend.
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You guys were right, PR-66 Cameo

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Nice coin, and yeah, details are great, definitely proof.
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Amazing, amazing coin!

I think I read that the proofs are more common in that year than the high end mint state 'business addition' coins. The idea was that those people who collected coins back then, would simply buy the proofs, and the to be circulated coins were not saved. The demand for the business edition coins did not come until many years later.

Although this could have been referring to he Shield nickel series.
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Has been TPG'ed 3 times


ANACS all three times?
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Just goes to show you how often the grading companies can't even agree with themselves. Like my 1885-CC cracked from a MS64, to a bagged, to a MS63, then a bagged, then sold raw, and finally in the MS65 holder it deserved all along, I spent almost $170.00 in grading fees and postage only to sell it at a loss to a client that submitted it back to PCGS, he got the grade not me.

Congrats on the new grade! It's a pretty looking proof Liberty nickel for sure.
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I would kill to have this coin, amazing!
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Why the heck would you ever crack it out of an MS65 holder (esp. PCGS)?!
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