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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Hey everyone haven't had a lot on lately so decided to try form a conversion table everyone is welcome to give their opinions and as we go it will change so eventually we should have a really good resource for converting PCGS grades to Australian grades. Also should help us all determine their value and stop the confusion surrounding it. Here goes:
MS65 GEM UNC
MS63-64 CHOICE UNC
MS60-62 UNC
AU-58 aUNC
AU-55 gEF
AU-53 EF
AU-50 aEF
EF-45 gVF
EF-40 VF
VF-35 aVF
VF-30 gF
VF-25 F, gF
VF-20 F
F-15 gVG
F-12 VG
VG-10 gG
VG-8 G
G-6 aG,G
G-4 aG
AG-3 Fair
FR-2 Poor
PO-1 Basal
P.S with split grades e.g. gVF, aEF should be determined on whether it is high or low for the grade
Edited by oh my florin
08/20/2013 08:00 am
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Australia
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Whilst this make a good ball park conversion, at the end of the day, you need to see the coin for yourself. Either an image, or in the hand.
Reason for this, is for 'MS' coins, the PCGS grading system places less emphasis on the strike than the ANDA grading system does.
For an ANDA GEM, the coin has to have an "almost perfect" strike.
For a PCGS graded coin, it may have a shocking strike yet still be MS65/66 if the coin has no/minimal marks, full lustre and eye appeal.
Edited by rbarat
08/18/2013 02:25 am
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Moderator
 Australia
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You've only shifted them half a grade. American gradeflation is much worse than that. I'd shift them one and a half grades, thusly:
MS65 = UNC
MS63-64 = UNC
MS60-62 = gEF-aUNC
AU58 = gEF
AU-55 = EF
AU-53 = aEF
AU-50 = gVF
EF-40 = VF
VF-30 = gFine
VF-20 = Fine
F-15 = gVG
F-12 = VG
VG-8 = G
G-4 = aG
AG-3 = Fair
FR-2 = Poor
PO-1 = Coin? What coin? It's just a washer!
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Sap while by definition you're correct, in practice its a whole different story. Other than decimals and sub-$100 coins, commercial UNCs rarely make MS slabs, usually they're either in the AU53-58 range or no grades.
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Bedrock of the Community
United Kingdom
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Edited by NumisRob
08/18/2013 04:16 am
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I think it all depends which country the coin comes from. Quite frankly I have seen some bloody awful Morgan's in MS slabs and some great Aussie coins in AU slabs  The consistency of the grading of US and Canadian coins is pretty consistent with Sheldon But for other countries They seem to think those coins are "Inferior" for some unknown reason . For this reasoning I fully agree with Sap as far as US coins go  Edited by trout1105
08/18/2013 06:14 am
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Pillar of the Community
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trout you've mentioned this before but I'm yet to see examples. Care to post a few?
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trout you've mentioned this before but I'm yet to see examples. Care to post a few? I will in about 57 days, Mark called it at MS64 I called it at MS66. We will wait and see |
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Is this the 54 threepence?
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Is this the 54 threepence? That's the one, I have been coerced into getting the bloody thing slabbed so Mark and PP are taking care of business for me If it comes back less than MS64 I will feel vindicated. If it comes back MS 64 or better , then I will just have to eat crow  |
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Australia
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I agree with Sap more than OMF about the grade shifting. If Gem is MS65 then what is MS66 or MS67? extra gem and super extra gem?
I looked not 5 minutes ago at a slabbed penny with the grade of VF35. I wouldn't have rated it much more than gF as the diamond was half gone, so it's Aussie buyer beware with the slabs.
And when you see a pre decimal in a MS66 slab the MS 60 next to it looks like the poor cousin.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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I have a 1942 m threepence that I was considering getting slabbed   as is typical with this year it has a weak strike but heaps of lustre in the low contact area's if what your saying is true I should get a high ef score n it. why wouldn't I get it graded? if I can place the coin in a high grade slab it will sell for more on ebay compared to me selling it based on my pictures (average pics at best compared to in hand appeal) |
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I have a 1942 m threepence that I was considering getting slabbed
nice coin serial but to be quite honest , Not worth slabbing. |
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well normally I would agree with you trout but the thing is , from what I have heard on this site, the strike does not affect the grade. rather it is the wear and this coin has heaps of lustre and cartwheels nicely. I believe that I could get a good ef to aunc based on that. if I did then the book value would be 5 - 10 times what I paid for it. that makes it worth it dosnt it?
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Pillar of the Community
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well normally I would agree with you trout but the thing is , from what I have heard on this site, the strike does not affect the grade. rather it is the wear and this coin has heaps of lustre and cartwheels nicely. I believe that I could get a good ef to aunc based on that. if I did then the book value would be 5 - 10 times what I paid for it. that makes it worth it dosnt it? From your pic's I would grade this VF-gVF, Too many dings and wear to be EF-AU. most of our predecimals are not really worth slabbing unless they are MS grades. A $90 coin in XF40=gVF slabbed |
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Australia
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see that's the problem, it has one ding and mint lustre all over, I just cannot get this on camera as I don't have the skills/equipment to take a good pic. I do however know how to look through a magnifying glass and the difference between a cleaned coin/mint lustre and weak strike/worn out coin and I assure you if I could put this in your hand your opinion would change. this means that for me to get the best $$ when I eventually sell this coin I can
a. learn to take better pics and spend $$ on better equipment or
B. get it graded
that's just how I see it
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