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 Posted 08/29/2013  10:14 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add shaban to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This Indian Head was advertised on ebay as 1886, but I have no clue... it looks like an 1896 and an 1886.

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 Posted 08/29/2013  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1896 the 9 has a closed loop due to a die break that happened in it, creating a bridge of metal.
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 Posted 08/29/2013  11:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shaban to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks westcoin, now seeing how the 1886 and the 1896 have a huge difference in value http://coins.about.com/library/US-c...Values.htm... would this die break bring enough of a premium or should I contact the seller for a refund?
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 Posted 08/30/2013  12:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyCC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like a 96 to me. But it's unique. *** the OP cannot sell yet. Offer removed ***
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 Posted 08/30/2013  12:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shaban to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I purchased it as part of a roll. This was the listing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/17110741311....m1497.l2649

I thought I had been getting a great deal if it were an 1886 Type 2 + a 1909 VDB. I was paying basically for the two end coins only.

**edited since I can't sell yet**
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 Posted 08/30/2013  01:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bababooey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe someone else could comment, but if there were anything of value in the roles/ or on the ends why wouldn't the seller just sell the coins individually? Clearly with a lot of these sales, specific coins are placed on the end. Someone chooses the coins to be put on the ends. The seller chooses not to sell them individually. Basically they are playing off people's desire to 'get lucky' or get 'something for nothing'. They are selling to make money, not to give away coins with value. They're not sticking valuble coins on the end.

Just out of curiosity, what was in the rest of the roll?

What he also implying it was extra fine as well? Because it is not either.

I'm sure the guy will give you a hard time if you try to send it back, but since its not a 1886, as he stated, I think you may have a good case. A least you learned a lesson. For $26 you a can get a decent AU indian head instead.
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I'd keep that coin, myself. You may have overpaid a little, but the kind of (variety/error?) that coin is worth the lesson in caveat emptor.
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 Posted 08/30/2013  04:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a big premium to most collectors, there are some that look for minor varieties (which this is) a cool find or collection would be a bunch of similar coins showing the pre die break on through the die break extending on through the date, now that would be something to see!

By itself I'd say it may command a dollar or two over the FMV on an 1898 in this condition at the most, so nobody is getting rich off a find like this.
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 Posted 08/30/2013  07:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add srs77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think I'd keep it, pretty neat piece!
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 Posted 08/30/2013  5:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add downtownsf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The seller did misrepresent the coin so you might have a case with ebay, you didn't over pay by that much considering the condition. You should contact the seller and see if he'll refund you five dollars or something. I think 99% of rolls are sold by scammers, just stay away from them.
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 Posted 08/31/2013  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shaban to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I ended up asking the seller for a partial refund, he said he wouldn't do that, but would refund me if I returned the roll, unopened. I told him it had already been opened, and he was being a jerk about it. So I'm just going to give him negative feedback and keep the coins. I'm not upset about the coins I got, but I did need the 1886
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 Posted 08/31/2013  1:40 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If he won't refund, hammer him with a neg. He's definitely scamming and he knew it was 1896. The negative feedback helps alert other buyers.
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 Posted 08/31/2013  1:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shaban to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's the plan, but he's a "power seller" 200+ feedback, so I have to wait 7 days before I can leave negative feedback
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 Posted 08/31/2013  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyCC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had something happen to me recently just like this. I was sold a 1871 indian head, got it in the mail - it's a 1874. I wanted to keep it because it was in really nice condition, so I told the seller I'd keep it for a partal refund and he agreed to do so. Since your guy (or girl) is not so nice...I agree with others saying give him a negative feedback.
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 Posted 08/31/2013  4:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shaban to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The good part about it is that I had ordered two things from him at the same time so I get to leave negative feedback twice
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 Posted 08/31/2013  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinDan98 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So those rolls people sell are usually scammers?
Good to know.
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