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Valued Member
Norway
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Have you reported it to ebay ? If not, why not ? |
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New Member
United States
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After looking at your so called fake cob, the first flag was that it is not listed as a cob, the second flag is it seems to have been acid cleaned , which distorts the look if done incorrectly . ALL I see this seller doing is selling a Mexican silver piece that ebay would not have a problem with, sorry I don't see a problem that warrants the energy of A forum. |
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United States
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Thank goodness for this forum, I was worried when I was watching this particular hammered 1621 , I have come across only a handful of period piece adapted reales. These were made in the 17th to 18th century and were used in the carrabiean and other far off ports , with chopmarks as proof of true silver content, if you look closely there are two test holes on this piece and now I am convinced it is a true adapted piece. Thank you diatonix for bringing this to the forum , as I was researching and could not find a copy of this style . Footnote.... ebay allows counterfeit confederate, and obsolete notes as well as full disclosure silver and gold pieces. *** Edited by Staff - Removed SCREAMING *** |
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New Member
United States
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I enjoy using forums to relay thoughts on many subjects, this silver medal is a nice item that should do well on the market place. thank you.
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New Member
United States
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Please forgive any wording taken out of context. I do like talking about matters of interest I will say I find it refreshing to see a great passion for the 17th century coinage. Reproduction is a nicer term and even some of those were made long ago,can realize great prices. thank you for your time on this matter of choice and good evening.
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 United States
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I'm curious as to why you two "new members" are posting from the same IP address. You can address this issue by independently contacting the Administrator, which will be your only recourse as I'm locking both your accounts.
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France
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That coin SHOULD be reported, as it's actually listed as a coin. It's not a coin, it's a badly done reproduction, nothing else. A numismatic forgery. Those are just not allowed on ebay (maybe in the jewel section, or with a COPY stamp on it, I'm not sure). I don't think anyone actually collecting those would get fooled, but a newbie looking for "pirate coins" could. At least for a fake, with the Mexico mint mark, it should have the proper cross design ... So again no, acid did not distort anything, that coin is not mexican, and ebay should have a problem with it. Maybe one of the poster is actually the seller, that would explain such posts ... |
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Australia
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Maybe one of the poster is actually the seller, that would explain such posts ... Actually, as SsuperDdave implied, both coinjunkie and professor are alt-IDs for one and the same person - presumably the seller of this item - having a nice little conversation with himself about how wonderful and un-fake his fake coin is. And, given the profanity-filled response Admin has received to SsuperDdave's quite reasonable request, I'd say he's not too happy at being caught out. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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United States
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I love this forum
Good catch SsuperDdave, but now I will never get to ask "professor" just what the heck a "period piece adapted reales" actually is.
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France
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That was actually listed in the facebook group dedicated to fake spanish coins since a while ( https://www.facebook.com/groups/monedafalsa/ ), but I didn't took time to report it - as it was so gross ... :D But with someone acting like that, everything changed ... :) Thanks for the fun, excellent catch SsuperDdave !! |
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United States
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How small the world is. You guys are 100% right those 2 id's are from the seller. i was browsing the bay these days and came across this listing here http://www.ebay.com/itm/Republica-B...em1c365949d5Btw. thats the same guy selling the fake cob I didnt know at the time though when I saw the listing And this guy writes as follows IN XF TO AU CONDITION WITH A SMALL TEST HOLE , SUPER CONDITION . 90%SILVER TESTED Then just for the heck of it I ask him what a test hole is and he replies TEST HOLES ARE A VERY SMALL HOLE THAT WAS TESTED FOR SILVER LONG AGO. I didnt come across this very elegant numismatic term of a test hole so far. At least I have not heard anyone use it. However professor here is very fond of test holes. " if you look closely there are two test holes on this piece and now I am convinced it is a true adapted piece" Must be the same guy. Thats funny... I see this post here with professor using that term and it all makes sence So here we have it its a period piece adapted reales with test holes from long ago that explains it all xD |
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United States
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It should be noted for any newer collectors: If it is even a question in your mind whether this is a genuine piece or not... you should read up until you realize WHY there is no doubt on this piece... The main use here should be to study it as an example of casting technique... Here is its non-identical twin, plus an apparently related piece. The one interesting thing is how heavy they made these... the 18-19 gram example (the one in the original post, similar to the first one below) is in theory a 4R: http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNIDENTIFIE...161085430642http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNIDENTIFIE...151100861324I'll add that I feel these are modern numismatic tribute replicas rather than contemporary counterfeits... While the styling of the detail is crude in a manner similar to what is often seen on contemporary pieces... A) The casting quality doesn't look good enough to have attempted to fool people as money, even for an "indigenous" style. B) Aside from that, the surface just sort of looks like modern amateur work. C) A specimen of this type (or a version of it) has been spotted along with a different piece (which is supposed to be a much later style) which looks very similar from a physical traits standpoint... That points to a modern origin. D) The fact that the one piece displays a rather clear date might indicate that the person doing these did that purposefully... which implies numismatic knowledge of cobs. All in all I think these are just someone's weekend garage project. Edited by realeswatcher
09/06/2013 04:43 am
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