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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
4208 Posts |
I spent a lot of dough to buy some coins which all turned out to be outright fakes. I emailed the seller and he spouted some cock and bull story about villagers in thailand but hes been selling these for at least 12 months and has been made aware of their fraudulent nature several times. Hes sold many without people knowing they are fake, too.
Anyway, he wont message me back. I'm not letting this slide - I've sent him my ultimatum as he wont settle it on his own - he either refunds me before monday or I open a case.
And heres the fun bit: I have the guys address. Anyone want to let me know if theres somewhere I should send that address so that the authorities can poke their noses in?
Advice would be appreciated on both matters.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2541 Posts |
Where did you buy them? ebay? Edited by Gothic Florin
10/04/2013 7:08 pm
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
4589 Posts |
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/2102If he knows they are fake and they aren't marked as such (COPY on the Obverse) then he's violating 15 USC § 2101. However, you have an interesting option: 15 USC § 2102 - Private enforcement If any person violates section 2101 (a) or (b) of this title or a rule under section 2101 (c) of this title, any interested person may commence a civil action for injunctive relief restraining such violation, and for damages, in any United States District Court for a district in which the defendant resides or has an agent. In any such action, the court may award the costs of the suit, including reasonable attorneys' fees.
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/ |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
3831 Posts |
Depends where you bought it from. If it's on ebay, you can file a claim which makes it a lot easier. Elsewhere, good luck. Write to ebay as of why they are counterfeits, i.e. wrong weight, not the right details, magnetic where genuine coins should be etc. |
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 Australia
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BenByfield is in Britain, so I assume the seller in question is as well; American law has no power there. In Britain, as far as I interpret the Forgery and Counterfeiting Act of 1981, it is not illegal to make counterfeit coins that are not currently "customarily used as money in any country" - in other words, it's perfectly legal to make, own and sell copies of old, obsolete coins, so long as everyone involved in the transaction knows that they are copies. Selling copies as genuine coins has to be dealt with under the more general Fraud Act of 2006. It seems to me that selling replica coins as genuine fails on two counts: false representation, and failure to disclose information. ebay, of course, has its own laws. Counterfeits and replica coins of any kind are now forbidden. EBay policy. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Canada
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ebay will shut him down-----but that does not get your money back.
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United States
51 Posts |
Sick the Secret Service on him.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Lately I've found roughly 10 ebay ads for fake titanic coins they are copies of Canada's & Tuvalu's titanic coins. The sellers don't mention they are copies. The Canada/Fijij fakes have Canada in the description. I report the ads and it doesn't seem like ebay does anything. Some sellers repeatedly sell these coins. The sellers are in Canada/US/UK. |
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Pillar of the Community
 United Kingdom
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The seller is based in Thailand (they claim to be a British National, I'm not so sure). Ill poke into the Thai law on it.
In the meantime ill be opening a case against him.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I doubt it's an ebay seller - BenByfield's ebay purchase history has 108 transactions with 62 sellers, but only 8 where you did 3+ purchases from them. All of them are Roman coins or UK/Canadian tokens except with two sellers the transactions are private but both of them are based in the UK. Oh and you seem to be single handidly keeping the Royal Mail afloat - I thought US postage was expensive! -----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/ |
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Thailand
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What kind of coins? This place is totally awash with fake Trade dollars and Chinese silver. Where in Thailand? Just the town for now. Perhaps I could pay them a visit (know what I mean?  ).  Edited by thai-vic
10/05/2013 06:40 am
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
4208 Posts |
Bstrauss its ebay but I havent left feedback so I doubt it'd come up. And 108 transactions?! Even I didnt know that! They are bullet coins - silver plated brass, in this instance. The guy is now trying to resolve it - He's offered me a silver 50 baht coin. |
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Pillar of the Community
Thailand
1509 Posts |
Thanks for the heads-up about fake bullet coins. Hadn't heard that one before.
Haven't bought one yet or a tiger-tongue piece but if I ever do I'll have it assayed at a jewellers before purchasing.
Hope the problem gets resolved.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Your in the UK. He is in Thailand. We are in the USA. Not much anyone could really do to hurt that seller from here or where your at. Yes if it's on ebay, he could be shut down but could simply pop back up with a different name. You could go to Thailand, hire a hit man there and get even.  However, all that would cost a lot more than your coins. And then too, he could hire the same hit man for more money. Regardless of what you do, such situations are what happens when you get involved with international deals and no real international police. To late but with such deale you should buy one, check it out and if no good, just don't buy more. |
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Hes not going to fix this and hes been selling a lot of counterfeits. Looks like I'm going to have to report him to ebay and hand the powers that be his address. Ruddy annoying. I might list the things I bought on ebay as replicas and see if I can get some money back. |
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United States
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Quote:Looks like I'm going to have to report him to ebay and hand the powers that be his address. Ruddy annoying. I might list the things I bought on ebay as replicas and see if I can get some money back. Unless it's ebay USA which hosted the transaction, I don't know if you'll get any action - and that site will not allow your resale. ebay.com may or may not have equivalent rules to the relatively strict prohibitions on ebay.com. I'm thinking you take that-vic up on his offer. |
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