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Coin Auctions (Not Ebay).....are They Really Worth The Time?

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I haven't purchased a coin from an auction house in over 15 years.

Why?...Mainly because after competing with floor bidders and internet bidders and more importantly after tacking on 20% commission and then another 13% HST what's the point?

The final price of buying a coin this way is much more than buying from a coin show or from ebay or from a dealer (as a group).

Which leads me to my main question....

What is your percentage of coin purchases (based on $ amount) from a coin auction house as compared to coin shows, dealers and ebay.

Mine is 0% auction, 100% coin shows, dealers and ebay.
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 Posted 10/05/2013  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add insideout to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will say all the fees is the reason I have never bought from an Auction House.
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The best material goes through dedicated auction houses - so if you are after high end material you just have to bite the bullet and pay those fees. Of course, those fees shouldn't matter - you know what you are willing to pay - work it out including the fees and then bid.

Some argue that the buyers fees really just hurt the seller.
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 Posted 10/05/2013  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add qbvbsite to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Some argue that the buyers fees really just hurt the seller.


Couldn't agree more..
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I have never bought a coin from an auction and probably never will. After buyers fees and exorbitent shipping and insurance and tax charged, I'd end up paying 30% over market trend whereas I'd likely pay 75% of trend on ebay.
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 Posted 10/05/2013  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pocket change 50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I buy from ebay, the mint, and the occasional dealer. Buyers fees put me off.
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I tend to agree with you. At least for what I collect currently. If I were going after much rarer/bigger money pieces, then a big auction house is probably the only place I'd find that kind of material.
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I only consider (and have bought) from auction houses with 'exceptional' stuff that doesn't come available often. The Geoffrey Bell auction in Toronto these past two days is a good example, as there were some medals that I have never seen before.
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 Posted 10/05/2013  3:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My percentages are 0% auction, <1% eBay(-style sites), and most of the rest either dealers or tourists/friends (in dollar amount, probably >99% dealers, since the tourists tended to give me their coins for free or nearly so; maybe make that 98% dealers and 2% circulation finds that I paid face value for).
I don't particularly like online bidding sites, because they want me to have a Paypal account, and the sheer hassle involved in that (and then there's all the fees) make it not worth my time considering the low-end coins I usually tend to buy. Going to a coin market (though not a coin show, technically - never been to that), buying something in person and paying with cash makes me feel much better (even if I do have to spend 2-3 dollars on transportation). That said, official auctions do indeed seem to be worse than either.
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I have only bought my key pieces from auction houses and have mostly tried to buy the best available at that time.

My collecting was active pre-internet and I did have to add the then 10% commission and applicable taxes. I still feel that I got a great deal on almost all of the pieces I've shown here even after the extras were added on....and definitely well below trends for "almost" every piece at that time.

I feel that the really good/rare pieces have to be seen in hand. If you're a dealer (like many here) you're working actively with many others and get to handle a lot of great pieces,.. and that gives you the dealer the advantage. You know the changing coin market better than anyone else.
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 Posted 10/05/2013  4:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carly1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree paying 30 percent on top of the final price is crazy the only time that I will bid is when the bid plus the fees are within trends
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 Posted 10/05/2013  4:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tripoli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You guys are crazy to buy on ebay...at least at an auction, there may be an opportunity to actually see the coin in person.....
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I think it entirely depends on what you collect. I just checked and 25% (by value) of my purchases were from auction houses. But then one coin makes up half of that!

Because as Bacchus and others have said, that's often where the better and rarer coins are found and if you want those .. there's not much choice. If you wait until they are on a dealer's books you're going to have to pay the buyer's commission plus the dealer profit margin. If they ever get there.

But then they stopped making what I collect over 350 years ago and the numbers known to exist for quite a few coins are in single figures. Those sorts of coins generally don't make it to ebay, there aren't enough guarantees they will make what the could be worth there and most sellers aren't willing to take the risk.

But for the less specialised or more easily found coins, it's a different matter.

I'm not saying I no longer bother with ebay, it's the largest market place in the world and bargains can still be found! An awful lot of my coins came from there, particularly those from my early days of collecting. But more and more my purchases these days are from auctions and specialist dealers.

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For the rare big ticket item then I suppose you may have to go through an auction house to get what you want. In my case I have given up on general coin auctions as there seem to be too many bidders who have no idea of the value of the coins. At the last auction I attended even mediocre coins were being bid to ridiculously high prices. It has certainly put me off waiting for hours for the coins I am interested in coming to the block just to see them go way over what they are worth.
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tripoli - ebay is 99% about protecting the buyer, and 1% about protecting the seller. If you aren't happy with a coin, ebay will allow for a return, even if there's no return policy. (I've posted items before with the description saying essentially "as is, use the pictures to judge", and when the buyer wasn't happy, ebay allowed him to return). So it doesn't really matter if you can't see the coin ahead of time. If it's not what you expected (or heck, even if you just change your mind), you can return.
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tripoli - ebay is 99% about protecting the buyer, and 1% about protecting the seller. If you aren't happy with a coin, ebay will allow for a return, even if there's no return policy. (I've posted items before with the description saying essentially "as is, use the pictures to judge", and when the buyer wasn't happy, ebay allowed him to return). So it doesn't really matter if you can't see the coin ahead of time. If it's not what you expected (or heck, even if you just change your mind), you can return.
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