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 Posted 06/13/2007  6:18 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ChristinaM to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Would like another pair of skilled eyes to verify my attribution.

I say VAM-38.
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Any other pics needed..let me know.
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 Posted 06/13/2007  11:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ocsjr2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I totally agree with you, VAM-38.
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 Posted 06/13/2007  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ocsjr2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You have a strong reverse with a Type ll/l obverse with 5 tf showing, it can only be a 38 or 40. The 40 has a doubled left leg while the 38 has doubled LIBERTY. The June 2006 VAMview has a good write up on how to tell the 7/8 tf's apart. I think you could view and copy it off Ashmore's site
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 Posted 06/14/2007  11:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ChristinaM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the info..I will check it out...

btw..Welcome to the forum
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 Posted 06/14/2007  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
You have a strong reverse with a Type ll/l obverse with 5 tf showing, it can only be a 38 or 40. The 40 has a doubled left leg while the 38 has doubled LIBERTY. The June 2006 VAMview has a good write up on how to tell the 7/8 tf's apart. I think you could view and copy it off Ashmore's site


I like you already. You speak VAMmish.
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 Posted 06/15/2007  01:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ozland to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like a VAM 38,7/5 tail feather to me.
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 Posted 06/15/2007  03:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add goldfinger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
what the heck is VAM ?

and so are there 2 different 1878s? one with 7 and one with 8 tail feathers? whats that about 5?

Does this apply to all mints or only Philadelpia?

so many questions... has any one seen my keys?

and what the heck is a key date?

yes I dont know nuttin!
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 Posted 06/15/2007  09:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hunter20ga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Goldfinger...I'll let the experts answer about VAMs, but a "key date" is one that is scarce and hard to come by. Usually very expensive, as well. In Lincoln cents, think 1909-S VDB. In Indian Hean cents, think 1877. In Winged Liberty (Mercury) dimes, think 1916-D.

Semi-keys are coins not quite so hard to find and not quite so expensive.
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 Posted 06/15/2007  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add goldfinger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks Hunter, I came across a post describing VAM shortly after posting this. All this new lingo will make sense one day.

how is it that every ebay coin is a rare key date? LOL
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 Posted 06/15/2007  11:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ozland to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Goldfinger, I will try to answer your questions (1) what is a VAM? Two persons, Leroy Van Allen and George Mallis collaborated together on identifying 'die pairs' used on the Morgan and Peace dollars. A VAM is an acronym for Van Allen Mallis. ( VAM) Their collaboration is the definitive compilation known as A Comprehensive Catalog and Encyclopedia of Morgan and Peace dollars now in it's 4th addition.
You see, the Morgan dollar was minted from 1878 to 1904 and then for one year in 1921 and the Morgan series has all kinds of varieties.
In 1878, the first Morgans minted had the eagle on the reverse with eight tail feathers showing. Some bird society notified the mint that there were no eagles with eight tail feathers, they only had seven tail feathers. Oops. (2) Are there two different 1878's? Let's continue our discussion.
So the mint rehubbed the eight tail feather dies and these became the 7 over 8 tail feather varieties. This means that some coins had remnants showing under the now seven tail feathers. There are also other distinct features such as very distinct doubling and shifting on the reworked dies. The coin in question is known as a VAM 38 because certain aspects are different. On the obverse the word L-I-B-E-R-T-Y is strongly doubled across the headband and shows the greatest shift known for any Morgan dollar. On the reverse, 5 tail feather remnants are showing. Hence, the 7/8 tail feather variety. Now to answer your question, in 1878 you have the eight tail feather variety, the seven over eight varieties (16 varieties) and the seven tail feather varieties. (3) does this apply to all mints or only Philadelphia. For this part of the discussion this concerned only the Philadelphia mint, but varieties are spread across all mints.
The real fun and for another discussion is the reverse used in the first half of 1878, then changed later in the year and that reverse is identified as the reverse of 1879.
Morgan dollars truly offer the collector unparalleled varieties and many of these varieties are quite common and carry no significant premium, but there are others that are considered to be ultra rarities and worth a whole bunch of money.
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 Posted 06/18/2007  12:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add goldfinger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thank you ozland. thats a copy and paste to my Morgan research folder (8-)
I came into the Coin World looking to id my inhierited Morgans so I could sell them and buy gold.
I seem to have been infected with some kind of silver dollar virus, this coin collecting deal is contagious!
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Welcome to the community Goldfinger. Are you a Ian Flemming fan or just a fan of the yellow coins? Please be wary of anything you see on e-Bay. Don't get me wrong, there are many great deals available. However there are thousands upon thousands of rip-offs trying to take advantage of the hot coin market. I highly recommend getting "A Guide Book of United States coins" by R.S.Yoeman and perhaps "Official Grading Standards for United States coins" published by the ANA (American Numismatic Association). These two books are almost literally worth their weight in gold. Check out the forums on third party grading before buying any "slabbed" coin you see up for auction. The good news is that, as a whole, the people who post on this board are honest, intelligent people who are more than happy to help out a novice. Logging in to this website is one of the best moves I've made in a long time.
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 Posted 06/18/2007  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey, ChristinaM, go look here:

https://goccf.com/t/16129

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