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 Posted 10/23/2013  08:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mcshilling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice Earle, glad you are having fun.
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 Posted 10/23/2013  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I got to see some of the base jumping from the bridge on TV. One guy made a perfect landing in his wheelchair. (I would get sick just looking down.)


You got nice additions to your collection. Somebody out there got the missing numbers.....now you have to track them down.
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 Posted 10/24/2013  8:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone for the kind words.

I think the insulator hobby and the coin hobby have a lot in common b/c a lot of the insulator collectors I know of are also coin collectors (been trying to steer them here to CCF!).

As to the ruby red - it may very well be chromium doping, but the thing is that these are anomalies that happened to a normal dark root beer amber batch (thousands and thousand in this root beer amber made). The red is likely from them using cullet in the batch - Chromium-laden I guess.

Also, unless the sun is coming directly through it, it is dark.

As to legalities of just going out and climbing places to get these, after 9/11 it is always best to ask. And most RR co's will say no .

So I look at old maps (well, my friend does) to find where abandoned lines are/were located and go through woods, etc. Old telephone lines also used to go up over hills and mountains..

@vermontesium - or anyone - if you are serious about wanting some, PM me. They are fun to not only look at in a window - but the history is amazing to me. Also, some of the ones I specialize in are from the 1880s and are only a couple bucks to 5 bucks in the price guide, and yet these amazing little things are so old, and show such manufacturing skill, let alone that the wires they were holding transmitted ever major history event from the 1880s likely up to the Manned moon missions!

If anyone ever has any questions, let me know and I will be glad to answer or point you in the right direction.

BTW - it was only 3 weeks ago a friend of mine was out on an old line and uncovered an incredible piece )38 known in this color) that IF he would sell it (which he won't) would be around 1700.00. I took pictures while it was here by lining it up in the window with more of this type. He gave me a broken one he found that I am gong to have repaired leftmost in the pic - large chunk out of back not showing).

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All of these are circa 1870-1890. Leftmost in green about 30.00. Purple 1700.00, aqua (hard to see in pic but has large ER for Erie RR on the front skirt) 30.00, light purple (same as regular purple if was whole - but I don't care its broken - I never thought I'd ever own one!) likely at least a couple hundred (but I won't ever sell).

These typically are like the aqua one here but without ER and are around 3.00-5.00 each. The green one shows the cool embossing on the crown. I love the workmanship to be able to make words in glass.
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 Posted 10/24/2013  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chequer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cool thread. I've always liked the look of these. We have a couple that we use as doorstops
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 Posted 10/25/2013  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hambone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I remembered that we had some out in the barn. I guess they're not worth anything, but it never hurts to ask someone who knows. :)

Hemingray: have one 42, a few 45s, and a few 56s.

And one Whitall Tatum no1.

They're all clear (I'm guessing that the colored ones are worth more)
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 Posted 10/26/2013  12:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Hambone
These Hemingray 42, 45, and WT no 1 in clear are the most common pieces (although an aqua Hemingray 42 would rival this - millions and millions made ). However, check the Hemingray 42 to see if it has a large MR above the embossing on the skirt - this is a rare and expensive piece if the MR is there (and no one knows what it stands for as there are no records). The Hemingray 56s are still found only 1-2.00 at a show, but still are a cool shape.

One other thing to realize though is that all of these you mention are antique as he last glass insulator made in the States was in 1978. If you want to have fun finding the date these were made, some of the Hemingray pieces might have date codes on them in the form of dots. I can dig out the info and send it to you.

And you are right... it never hurts to ask!
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 Posted 10/26/2013  11:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hambone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the info Earle! Unfortunately there is no MR on the 42, its just plain :p
I don't plan to collect these, but I'll wash them off and set them aside.

I promise I won't use them for the electric fence anymore!

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 Posted 10/26/2013  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Hambone

Anytime...


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I promise I won't use them for the electric fence anymore!



I know I have seen a lot of people line sidewalks, outside stairways, or even just pound a piece if PVC into the ground in a decorative garden and put the insulators on top. They look good outside where the sun can catch them and make them shine. This is what I miss most about seeing RR tracks nowadays. It used to be you could drive along and see a bunch of sparkling glass decorating the RRs - now they look so bare since most have been removed and trashed.
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 Posted 10/27/2013  02:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow--quite a difference in value between colors! I really had no idea.
That green is interesting too. If it glows under UV light, it's made of uranium glass.
I recall there were some insulators made from this material....
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A lot of the glass made in the west by Western Flint Glass does fluoresce, and I assume you are correct in thstat is is uranium glass, although I do not know for sure.

In recent relatively years, there have been commemoratives and special issue insulators made just for collectors (compare to the CCF family coins of this forum) of uranium glass just for this purpose.

As to colors:

1. Only the Hemingray factory made special colors to order. These were to aid the linemen from "Company A" to ID which wires were "Company A's" wires on lines where "Company A" and "Company B" had their systems set up. "Company A" might choose cobalt blue while "Company B" chose amber.

2. Purples were all made as clear - but he manganese, used for the purpose of producing clear glass form the melted batch, turned purple in the sun's UV rays (glad it did!)

3. Most colors were accidental in that melted glass cullet was used to aid in melting the sand used to make the glass. From what I understand making glass from sand is a lot more difficult without previous glass being used as a catalyst.

4. Mostly it is colors that draw people to these (who doesn't like the look of a window of colored glass?), but some clear ones are very rare and valued as much (if not more). Compare this to the eye appeal of a coin - we like either toned or blast white depending on our preferences, but an 1800 silver dollar in AG is valuable b/c of rarity.

5. The best thing s that like coins, these have eye appeal and history to make them desirable.

I have posted this on another thread, but here is a look at some of what I see when the sun comes up each day.
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There is a price guide, like in coins. And values depend on what people like and for what reasons they like them. Like coins, people start out collecting everything and then settle into specialties.

The insulator hobby - although much, much smaller than the coin hobby -
is like a large family - just like here on CCF. One of the largest shows is coming up in Springfiled OH starting this next thursday night and going through Sunday, and I am looking forward to it b/c of the family reunion atmosphere.

I know others on this forum, after other posts, have enjoyed looking at insulators.info - specifically browsing the picture gallery link that can be found there.

NIA.org also has a link that has a picture of one of each profile (known as a "Colnsolidated Design - or CD - and assigned their own CD number) to make identification easier. As to values, the price guide link is also on insulators.info, but perusal of the picture gallery by searching for a CD can help determining value.

B/c the hobby is not as well known as others, I can honestly say everyone I know who is active in the insulator hobby has made a first rare find in antique shops, garage sales, flea markets etc. within the first 5 years of being in the hobby.

Also, and the area I like, a lot of the research in specialty areas is still open to those who like a good challenge/mystery.

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A lot of the glass made in the west by Western Flint Glass does fluoresce, and I assume you are correct in thstat is is uranium glass, although I do not know for sure.
I've heard there are several formulas of glass that fluoresce, but yellow-green uranium glass glows brightest--in fact it glows slightly in sunlight and other sources. A few in those pictures look unmistakably like uranium glass, but they could be confirmed by a Geiger counter...the glass is (safely) radioactive.

That's pretty cool how the purple glass only became that way in sunlight. Some minerals get their coloration in the same way--due to a trace element like manganese and radiation.
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I t would be interesting to have a geiger counter and tell. Interetingly enough, I have actually done some research in the past with effects of irradiating insulators b/c, like in the bottle hobby some people have tried to duplicate rare ones by irradiation. A whole new branch of this hobby came into being where we were trying to educate people on what altered ones look like so they will not be taken. Just like with coins - people fake these also

But with any exposure to finding out what the fakes are like, actually insulator fakes are relatively easy to tell apart sine the irradiation has yet to make a plausible fake when side by side with an original.

I also have a couple miniature collector item "insulators"made of neodymium glass. Different light sources make it different colors.

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Wow.. What great looking insulators you have Earl..

Like Hambone, we have a couple also but, just the plain white ones..
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Wow - those are some cool insulators!

I've never really got into this as a hobby, but like Earle42 I remember seeing them along railroad tracks. I've seen lots of glass ones when traveling by train in the US and Canada, but in the UK railroad insulators are mostly ceramic - and now very rare to find in situ as most poles have been felled. A couple of years ago I went for a ride on a railway in France from Autun to Avallon in Burgundy just a few weeks before the line closed to passengers as a new high-speed line now parallels it. There were some lovely blue glass insulators on the poles along that line, and the pole route was obviously abandoned. I'd love to go back there with a car and try to unscrew a couple!

The two ceramic insulators I have at home both came from the Hershey Electric Railway in Cuba - I was on holiday there a few years ago and saw an old pole lying by the tracks and unscrewed a couple of insulators. I expect they are of US origin as the railway was originally US owned.
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@Shaft
Canada made some of the ones I like best. See the dark purple ones n the pics? All are from Canada. THE standard for royal purple in the insulator hobby are examples of these. The bullet shaped purple (known as a "beehive" shape) only runs around 75.00 - which, when holding one in hand, the amazing color/beauty is hard not to justify even though it is glass!
Also one of my favorite blue ones came from up there. Its like a Windex Glass cleaner blue, but a bit more rich.

@Numisrob
I admit I don't specialize in porcelain, but you are correct in the the UK used so very much of it. Two of the most known/collected porcelain pieces in the world were made by Bullers in England - they are Cherry red.
Following is a pic from a UK friend of mine who collects insulators. Mine are identical to the ones in the pics (except I only have one of each).
Thanks to him, I got a single groove example when he came over to the States for a show. The double groove I got from another friend last year:

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