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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I believe they're encased in acrylic. No way to weigh them.
Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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@amida....DUH!
Yes ...the Secret Service would absolutely confiscate them were they real. They have been deemed sole property of the U.S. gubmint.
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New Member
 United States
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I do know that. I highly doubt their authenticity, but I think with all the information I have discovered makes me want to look into.
1) The coins given to senators were prototypes (No one would know what prototype 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 looked like).
2) In the late 70s and early 80s would someone have had the resources to pinpoint a single senator out and stage the paperweight in a bag. Mom says she has had them since 1980 and my grandma bought them in 1978 (but who knows)
I have read the newspapers and congressional reports regarding the penny online and it was a pretty big story in the 70s, so fakes were probably around very early.
3) Maybe after his arrest someone thought it would be easy to sell fake pennies connecting him and the theft.
If anyone wants to know the backstory and location of the bank I can share.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Google "1974 penny paperweight" and select images...seems a popular year for pennies in acrylic/lucite
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New Member
 United States
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I have done that. I could be wrong but much if not all of Lucite was made in Canada.
Here is the part of the story that gets me once again:
The deposit bag. A small town(considered a village) bank bag ends up half way across the United States with fake aluminum pennies.
A) Would have to be from the area to obtain a bank bag
B) Would have to counterfeit pennies
Without the small town bank bag and congressman who was twice a republican delegate for the national convention which resided in this small town and was later arrested for fraud(stealing for personal gain), I would absolutely assume they're fake. Tomorrow I will weigh them in the case and see what the number comes out to.
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New Member
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I have done that. I could be wrong but much if not all of Lucite was made in Canada.
Here is the part of the story that gets me once again:
The deposit bag. A small town(considered a village) bank bag ends up half way across the United States with fake aluminum pennies.
A) Would have to be from the area to obtain a bank bag
B) Would have to counterfeit pennies
Without the small town bank bag and congressman who was twice a republican delegate for the national convention which resided in this small town and was later arrested for fraud(stealing for personal gain), I would absolutely assume they're fake. Tomorrow I will weigh them in the case and see what the number comes out to.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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To my knowledge the 1974 Al cents were business strikes, not mirrored proofs or glossy some would say. They are pics of genuine pieces available on Google Images. Take a look and you'll likely agree you have a replica set in a nice holder.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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How do the coins feel when you pick them up? What about dropping them? Is the rim slippery?
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New Member
 United States
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I can't pick them up in hand due to the casing. I had read in other places that proofs were released. I purposely tilted the case to get the light to reflect off the coins.
For anyone interested I have found out congressmen were given the coins to look at. I found some congressional reports to verify this.
West Point Mint began manufacturing pennies in 1973 (no evidence to support they made aluminum pennies)
I will probably try to remove them from the casing to be able to weigh them.
I personally collect coins for the history not the value, so I enjoy learning new facts about the US government and metal fluctuations throughout history.
Edited by Jrock 11/10/2013 5:18 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2311 Posts |
When you leave the USA you can sell them if they're real, lol.
You should remove the case.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Quote: I will probably try to remove them from the casing to be able to weigh them I doubt that can be done without scratching the coins. I don't think you will ever get them out. It's not like the Lucite will fall away and leave you with clean coins. It will be on those coins -- quite possibly for all eternity. So imagine chipping away at it while looking though a microscope.... You might be better off with an antique dealer -- and forget about the coins for now -- and see if you can't get a definite history about the desk set items. People do weird stuff to coins all the time -- making novelty items is just one of them.
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New Member
 United States
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Yeah I will have to decide on something. I doubt their authenticity, but a part of me wants to find out for sure. The guy is still alive and he's probably the only one who would know for sure.
"he used the scheme to finance his children's college tuition, contributions to his own retirement fund in _________ State, boats, motors, snowmobiles, and other items, and for subsidizing continued employment of his brother in an insurance firm."
That was in 1976. So my mind wants to believe if HE did have the coins he surely knew the feds would find them.
Than 2 or 3 years later a deposit bag from a town of around 1200 people(which he lived in) ends up in Bellevue, Nebraska(one of the largest airforce bases) with fake aluminum pennies.
So who knows? I'll figure something out. Thanks to all who posted.
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Valued Member
United States
368 Posts |
pretty cool story...i'll be following this thread! :)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2211 Posts |
I remember when the stories about the aluminum cent started in 1974. They either said the coins were never minted, or they were minted and destroyed.
I'm sure, based on your photos, that your coins are simply normal copper cents that have had a silvery coating added to them--just like reprocessed 1943 steel cents--simply for the sake of presentation.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Those appear to be all large dates.
Aluminum pennies should be small dates.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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