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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-S-INDI...em19e4bdfa92 I've been saving and looking for a 1909s for about a year now. I realize there are a ton of fakes out there and I probably will buy a slabbed coin and break it out for the set, I'm just to nervous about this particular coin year/mintmark. Regardless, what does everyone think of this raw coin mainly in terms of authenticity. It looks good to me and I need other opinions. Thank you -Steve
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Oh and by the way I know there is no way that is a 1877 (ha)
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United States
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the 1877 has a type 2 obverse, minted from 1886 - 1909.
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the 1909 looks real to me, but I don't like the gouge across the temple.
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I'm torn on this one. In addition to the temple mark robbudo mentions, I don't like what I see at D_S on the obverse. More detail on the first 3 feather tops than maybe should be (learned that one from the Penny Lady). I've seen 65's with a lot less detail there. The mint mark looks good - top serif almost touching, serif faces parallel - but the giveaways for the two potential reverses aren't clear. I think it could be Snow-2 as Snow-1 would show up better in the images. For Snow-2 you want to see a little of the serif to the left of the MM sticking up: http://indiancent.wikispaces.com/1909-SMe? I pass it by. No offense to the seller, it may well be real, but there's too much doubt. Even if it's good it probably Detail slabs. |
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SuperDave has me convinced so I'd also say pass.
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For that much money I won't go for anything that isn't in a PCGS or NGC holder.
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the seller looses some credibility for saying the other coin 'could be' an 1877. Either they are ignorant and clueless about Indian cents and you shouldn't be from them or they are misleading/deceitful and you shouldn't buy from them. |
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He states on the listing that its definitely not a 77 and has contacted every bidder and told them so. He's quite embarrassed.
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I'd take the risk on this one if I had the disposable income (and the guts) to risk; I'm 75% sure it's real. But either way I think it's a Details coin.
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Seller should throw in a bar of soap and a sponge, because whomever wins that is taking a bath.
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I don't like what I see at D_S on the obverse. Just looks like a die crack turning into a Cud to me. I see no issues with the 1909-S I'd say real, but not at that price, maybe around $370.00 or so, it is a details, cleaned coin for sure. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Westcoin, have you seen such a crack on a 1909-S before? I haven't; that's obviously not definitive but it informed my thinking.
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I would pass personally. Too much risk.
Do they look good..if I had to make a decision if my life depended on it, their good.
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I'm probably missing something but I was wondering why the 1909-S would get a details grade. The color looks fine to me and I don't see any damage that would warrant a details grade.
A few things that I noticed after looking at the 1909-S several times are what appear to be lumps behind the eye and in the field below the A in States and what looks like a long scratch on the rim running from about the TE in United to about the 1 in the date. I am not sure if they can be found on some genuine examples or if they are indications of a counterfeit but they do have me wondering. I may have to do a little more research.
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There is a gouge under TA of STATES in front of the forehead that runs under LIBERTY, through the back of the headband. A second gouge from just behind the eye to the hair curl in front of the ear, where it curls around the ear and continues behind.
That amount of metal disturbance will result in a net grade. The seller did a BRILLIANT job of camouflaging it, but a keen eye can spot it with ease.
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