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Hey Krause! Whats Burgau Got To Do With It! A Rant

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 Posted 11/24/2013  07:25 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add austrokiwi to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Forgive this rant but I really have found it really tiresome how there is one, seemingly to me, error being perpetuated by Krause and promulgated by the TPGs.


By way of lead in another rhetorical question: How do we attribute coins, by mint, by governing state or by province? The answer of course is first by state( eg United states of America) then by the mint( usually named after the city the mint is located in. No one would dare call a Denver mint issue a Colorado springs coin. Yet Krause does the equivalent thing in regards to the coins produced by the Guenzburg mint. Guenzburg is a town that was located in the same named province( which is located in and a part of Swabia now part of Bavaria). Up until the mid 17th century the province of Guenzburg was actually governed by Burgau. however from the mid 17th century the town of Guenzburg became the administrative center. Almost 100 years later in 1764 the Guenzburg mint was established. It was formally called the Guenzburg mint. Now the arms of Guenzburg actually include the arms of Burgau and it is those arms that are seen on Guenzburg coins. However in German speaking Europe, IMHO correctly, every one refers to the coins from the Guenzburg mint as Guenzburg.


I actually thought that perhaps Krause.... when they purchased the rights to Davenports works might have continued an error Davenport had made but checking Davenport I find the coins from Guenzburg are correctly listed under Austria and attributed to the Guenzburg mint. Krause appears to have created and perpetuated a fiction that is then distributed and reinforced by the TPGs.
This coin in the following listing is a conventions thaler from Guenzburg it was not struck in Burgau , which to my knowledge never had a mint during the early modern period:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Burgau-1766...em257b355733



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11/24/2013 07:39 am
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Excuse me, austrokiwi, I know where the coin was minted, it was Gunzburg.

But I don't understand what your problem is. Can you answer the question on the picture?
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HI Henry on the coin the arms you have highlighted are the burgau arms....... but its on a coinstruck at the Guenzburg mint......... If we were to be consistent with the approach to this coins attribution then Vienna mint coins would be called Upper austrian, Prague coins( of the same period) Silesia and Moravia. For some reason people have decided that coins from Guenzburg are to be called Burgau!
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Ian, so you mean this is an error in the past and it shouldn't be carried on nowadays.
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Now it is much simpler than that. Coins struck in the Guenzburg mint are being, I believe misleadingly, called Burgau coins. I think they should be described, as they are in German speaking Europe, as "Guenzburg". My understanding of how coins are identified is by the mint they were produced at.....not by a coat of arms. If you go back to the link I gave; the TPG has "called" the coin "Burgau" when it was actually struck in the Guenzburg mint. I know its only a matter of slightly less than 10 kms in geographical terms but I think numismaticly using the term "Burgau" is very misleading
Edit opps I didn't ask the question

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Ian, so you mean this is an error in the past and it shouldn't be carried on nowadays.



Much of Krauses information on European Thalers comes from Davenport.....Davenport identified the coins correctly as Guenzburg.....so it is a historical error but a recent error, but one that has penetrated deeply



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