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Bullion Vs. Uncirculated ASE

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What (if any) is the difference between bullion ASEs vs the uncirculated ASEs that the Mint sells? I know one will have the W mintmark, but I am confused. Are they both NCLT?
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The unregulated SHE's are more expensive and are a higher grade.
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The UNC as you know, have the W mint mark, are minted on specially burnished planchets at a higher pressure for better quality and handled individually off the press and packaged. And are substantially lower in mintages.

It is the lower mintage that is the real draw for the price. Basically they are still just bullion and the bullion and the UNC are both pretty plentiful in MS69 and MS70 condition.

Some would argue that due to the bulk minting and bulk handling, it is a far greater feat to find a MS70 bullion than an UNC.
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What denco7 said about mintage numbers and handling, as well as...

There are lots of varieties in this series, so it can be confusing. As far as the NCLT goes, yes, face value is $1 on each and you could go spend them at the gas station if you wanted to take about an $18.50 loss (at current market rates) per coin. That's also assuming anyone would know what to do with them there.

Bullion ASEs are only sold directly to authorized dealers and cannot be bought directly through the mint (with the exception of special sets - e.g., the 2011 5-coin 25th Anniversary ASE set had a bullion coin in it). They are intended to be for investment and are purchased through dealers.

The uncirculated ASEs are intended for collectors and can be purchased directly from the mint by regular consumers like you and me.

About the physical differences, the product listing on the US Mint's web site says:


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These [uncirculated] coins feature a finish similar to its bullion coin counterpart, and they are struck on specially burnished blanks at the United States Mint, West Point, N.Y.


Now occasionally they'll be struck elsewhere. Again, for the 2011 set there was an UNC struck at San Francisco.
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At a quick glance the only difference is the mint mark. Comparably there is the same thing with Morgan dollars but having one with the "cc" makes a big difference.
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Got it. Thanks guys!
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No worries. And
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Personally, I buy a tube of ASE's, 3 UNC ASE's and 3 proof ASE's per year just to cover all the bases.

I like the exclusivity of the UNC ASE low mintage numbers. Look at 2011 for example; The Mint produced over 40 million bullion ASE's & 950K Proofs. 2011 the Mint also made 2 versions of the UNC ASE, the W-version at 409,927 coins and sells for $35-45 while the S-version at 100,000 sells for $125-200.

Yes, mint marks do make a difference and people are willing to pay a higher premium for them.
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