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1544 - 1547 Henry VIII Groat? Any Info Please?

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 Posted 12/15/2013  11:08 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mashisback to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi guys.

My Sister has pulled out a mini collection that she was passed down, this is an interesting one.

I think I have identified it as the 1544 - 1547 Henry viii groat?

Has anyone got any further info on this, or think its something different?

Does it look genuine?
What grade would it be given
Value?



1544---1547-Henry-VIII-Groat?-Any-Info-Please?

1544---1547-Henry-VIII-Groat?-Any-Info-Please?Any info is appreciated

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 Posted 12/15/2013  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add peter1234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is false.
Tom Goodheart (aka Richard) has posted these beauties on another site.
Please do not buy this "found in a box" stuff. It is pewter and sold to kids in museums for £1.
See 1562 6ds/3ds for a bargain.
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 Posted 12/15/2013  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mashisback to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Peter

How sure are you its fake?

Are you feeling ok today?

:)
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 Posted 12/15/2013  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
LOL Thanks Peter!

But I'm afraid Peter is right mash. Those little initials WRL on the reverse at 8 o'clock stand for Westair Reproductions Limited. This is a led-free pewter replica of the sort sold at museums and stately homes as souvenirs.

Sorry.
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12/15/2013 12:35 pm
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Thanks Tom, appreciate the info

Now to send a link to my sister of the bad news

Tom, I haven't got into hammered coins/ coins prior to 1800's

When I do, what is the best ways to spot a replica/ fake?

Thanks
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 Posted 12/15/2013  1:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Tom, I haven't got into hammered coins/ coins prior to 1800's

When I do, what is the best ways to spot a replica/ fake?


Gosh, that's a question! Well, firstly, replicas should be marked as such. After all, they are made for sale as copies. They will normally be of cheaper metal, which in most cases is lighter and therefore the replicas are thicker than a regular coin. Particularly in the case of hammered.

Fakes, well, that's another subject. There are a number of modern replicas of hammered coins that occasionally turn up on ebay and elsewhere. Some are listed on the forgerynetwork website. Cast copies can be quite difficult to spot. Of course, with hammered coins, because each one is individually made then if you see two with identical quirks the alarm bells should start ringing!

Then there are modern coins from fake dies. Trevor Ashmore made dies in the 1960s and now his copies are themselves collectable! However most can be spotted by an experienced eye.

Worse are copies of popular series such as the Victorian 'Gothic' designs or later wreath crowns coming out of China. Usually made from decent silver and to the inexperienced eye quite convincing. However pretty much every example seems to have giveaway signs, so again, if you see two or more coins with odd marks, worth being wary.

Finally contemporary (ie at the time the real coin circulated) counterfeits exist for most coins. With hammered and things like the George III 'evasion' pieces, differences in the fine detail such as lettering or shield design can be a give away. But some are very good and, again, collectable in themselves! Usually the weight is incorrect, but until you actually have the coin that's not always helpful.

However, don't be put off. The number of fakes relative to genuine coins is still small. And if you have doubts then ask on here or other coin forums where people will be happy to help.
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12/15/2013 1:37 pm
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 Posted 12/18/2013  2:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add peter1234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also don't buy coins of which you know diddley about.
Stick to major dealers and avoid slabbed coins.
I'm under the parapet now.
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gee, now that Tom's mentioned the gothic florin's, it's getting me worried. I just got an 1887 gothic 2 weeks ago. apart from the quite similar degree of wear (what it looked like to me) on the obverse to a few others, everything else seemed in good order, although now I'd probably take it out to weigh it. Do these china reproductions weigh the same as the original, and are there many gothic florins out there that look similarly worn, or is it just me?

i'll post a picture up later
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 Posted 10/13/2017  3:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lsb25 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately it is fake all fakes have straight edge on right side
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