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What Mintage Number Is Consider Low In Bullion?

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Are Silver Pandas with a mintage of 8 million (or is it 6 mil?) consider as a low mintage?

Is 1 million minted bullion coins( wild life serious, 25th Anniversary Canadian Maple Leafs ...) considered low mintage?

what is considered low mintage? what is your maximum mintage number? what should my maximum mintage number be? what's yours?

Thank you

George
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 Posted 12/28/2013  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fat Freddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In order... No. Not by me, for whatever that's worth. The answer to that one is very subjective and 10 people will probably give you 10 different answers.
I don't have one. You have to decide whether or not you need one and if you do, what it should be. You already asked that last one two questions earlier.

Don't drive yourself crazy with mintage numbers. There are lots of coins (many from Niue, Tuvalu, Tokelau and those other microdot-sized South Pacific
"Coin Islands") that have extremely low mintages but they're mostly just overpriced, gaudy little consumer trinkets.

Mintage numbers may (or may not) mean anything. By themselves, they're not the be-all or end-all of anything. They mean a great deal in classic US coins,
but in the Niue Adorable Fluffy Kitten Series I don't think too many people care about the mintage numbers.
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Or, if you are buying it as bullion, the mintage number is meaningless. You are buying it as silver and the reason to buy one form versus a different one boils down to cost versus ability to resell / trade. A silver eagle or maple leaf is more recognized as standard weight and purity by more people than a Dale Earnhard 1 oz. by Redneck Mountain Mint.
If you are buying numismatic silver, the mintage number may be meaningful, but again it depends on the demand for the item. More people want / collect Proof Silver Eagles than Nuie Fluffy Kitties, hence the silver eagles have a higher premium.
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An other thing to consider is that bullion doesn't have the attrition rates that circulation coinage does.
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I am no expert on coins, but 8 mil for the Pandas is a ton.

The Pandas going forward wont be the desired coins that they once were. Their best days are in the rear view mirror for them.

I think 1 million, while thats not a small number either, is much better than 8 mil.

I have come to the conclusion that I will allow the market place decide for me what is low mintage. I do that by watching bid prices on ebay and the demand. By following that closely, we come to understand that various coin series and their mintage numbers vary.
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 Posted 12/28/2013  3:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silverleaf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with fat Freddy. It is very subjective. Even though the panda has a high mintage, the huge population of China is a primary market for this coin. If demand is greater than the mintage, it is a low mintage. :)
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For bullion under a million seems to be on the "lower" side and a couple hundred thousand or less being low. Anything in the millions can't be considered low to me. The pandas are really a great example of this. They used to have massive premiums in the early years, now you can get the graded 70s for basically the same price as a graded 70 ASE with how the mintage has been allowed to grow.

I don't have a maximum mintage things can have for me to buy. If I like it I'll get it. If it's something like the 2011 special ASE set with a set low mintage that you know will be popular I'll get more than one. Other than that though it's just whether or not I like it that determines if I buy it or not.

The only time the mintage comes into play at all for me would be for the price. If it's a high mintage I'll sometimes wait and see what they do on ebay before buying. Sometimes I can get it cheaper from a secondary seller other times it's cheaper from the mint. If several million or more have been made I won't get caught up in the high initial prices of people trying to have it first and will wait for those people to get theirs and move on and with the idea I'll get a better price later.
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Anything under 1 million is small.
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Comparing to ASE the Panda is low, but I think the public demand for silver bullion are down. Demand is what drives the prices, and I would think 100 thousand is too much if there's little demand for it.
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"Mintage numbers ... mean a great deal in classic US coins,"
Or Canada. Or any country.
Circulated for years, coins with low mintages survive in small numbers
in nice condition.

A mintage of 5,000 bullion coins, ALL carefully preserved by their owners,
would require a future demand of what number? (For a profit)
Let's say 2,000 future collectors want to buy them. 1,000 owners do not want to sell.
That leaves 4,000 owners with buyers. Future collectors soon realize that it is a buyers market and refuse to overpay. So 4,000 chasing 2,000 leaves 2,000 holding their original purchase.
And not much profit to be made. If any at all.

Just food for thought.
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it all depends on the coin, on the series, on the quality
8 mil for chinese coins is deserved to be placed in semi-numismatics
1 mil for canadian/us - just a bullion

let's compare 2012 panda (mintage 6 mil) average ebay sale at $33
to moose/cougar (mintage 1 mil) average ebay sale at $27

of course pandas will not rise that fast as previous years (though it took time for them to grow too), but if you compare 2013 panda in 10 years it might surprise you.

please, don't compare how much these coins were worth during last silver run up ($50) as in this case you should compare how much ase/maple were worth and where they are now compared to the pandas.
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I view under 500,000 low montage for bullion coins but only for the major bullion coins. Maples, ASE, and such. I bought a silver maple one day from a coin shop and when got home looked it up and it was the lowest mint year for them. I paid the same price for the 20 million montage one I bought along with it. Maybe in future years like 20 years down the road it might be when the population is just crazy
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In Canada's Silver Maples the 1991 sticks out but the reason that mintages was so low was due to a strike at The Royal Mint. 1992 is also a little bit better date due to a low mintage although 1992 is not as low as 1991.
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 Posted 02/13/2014  08:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HawkHybrid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
mintage should be a reflection on time and care taken for each coin,
hence proof versions have smaller mintage(low mintage could also mean
that that particular coin is not selling very well)

bullion is mostly traded for their metal value/investment so mintage
should only come into play on more unique coins. mintage has to
be balanced with desirability, some themes/mints are more desirable than others
so can be considered to have relatively low mintage despite higher absolute
numbers of coins being produced.

HH
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there was some cool info posted on a different forum about low mintage bullion....here the link

http://www.stacksbowers.com/NewsMed...y-Scale.aspx
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oh cool, there's a lot of cool information here too
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