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Going to tell us specifically why ?
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Why?
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Is it because the seller assumes that the coins inside are MS70?

I can't figure out any other problem you might see with this listing. The envelope indeed looks as though it has not been tampered with. Also, I don't know enough about mint sets to know if they might possibly be from the 60's; when they changed the packaging of the sets.

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sure, why?
(edited, because uncirc sets came in envelopes, proof sets did not)
The seller does not identify what YEAR they are.
He lists them as GRADED coins, which he cannot do.

"I bought a beautiful car from a guy once, the pictures were great. When I got it and opened the hood, there was no engine"
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It is indeed a lousy listing. Not sure it is worth bidding on, but not exactly a horrible offense either.
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I know that up to 1954, the mint still used the old boxes as packing.


So his description should say 1955 - 1959


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The seller does not identify what YEAR they are.


The envelopes are sealed and do not say what year they are so I am not sure how he can classify a year.


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He lists them as GRADED coins, which he cannot do.


Technically correct.

To be honest, the grading would the the only thing I might have an issue with. He is selling something unopened and does not claim to know what year they are. If someone wants to take the risk, it is up to them to make sure that they are opening the item with knowledgeable people and document it like you helped your friend do.

At some point, buyers need to take responsibility if they are going to gamble on purchases like this. I am not sure I would report this person if I ran across this listing. I do think the seller is setting him/herself up for grief selling an unopened package but that is their call.
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Isn't that also the same as 1960's packaging?
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Yes it is
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I have never seen mint envelopes with out a date on them.(until today)

These pictures are terrible and could easily be photo-shopped.
(or not)
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Here is a 1955 and 1953 mint set opened with the envelope. There is no date on the envelope: http://www.ebay.com/itm/All-Origina...em1e84fc2cfe and http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-19...m2ecd260640. Are these frauds since they are not in boxes or were some delivered in envelopes?

The 60's envelopes seems to have the date printed on the envelope in the lower left hand corner. http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOT-OF-13-U...m2ecd32c971.
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These are not frauds, as the uncirculated sets came in envelopes, and you can see these coins.
Starting mid 1955 the PROOF sets changed packaging to envelopes instead of boxes.


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also regarding the first post. if there is not date, and they are unopened, how does the seller know what year they are?
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The seller does not state a year but a range of years. Missed the note about the proof boxes (sorry!). So I am still not understanding what the problem is if the seller has an unopened envelope and states a range of years since he does not know the year since the envelope is, well, unopened.

I still agree with you on the MS70 grade .
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Okay, then, if in the 1950's the mint did not put a date on them, then at the very least it is a big crap shoot.
And $60.00 is about twice the price of a '58 or '59 P set.
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So this would have to be a 1955-1959 Proof set..
and the prices for a 57,58 and 59 set are almost half what he is asking. a 55 set would be a score, a 56 set would be par.
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