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well, that is an interesting find in LA! they really don't look fake, maybe the magnetic one is a very old fake? can you pick out of the letters on the legend?
if not, try ben's distilled water and brush with a toothbrush...see if that helps.
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Thanks Chris, I Agree!
For sure I will clean them even more and take more clearer pics...And I agree they don't look faked at all to me in person. I don't think either is faked or replica's Course I could be wrong (and have been hehe)
When you look at them closely the metals/blackened with corrosion they look REALLY old/granular/pitted naturally to me. And as ben said, sometimes they made them from whatever metals they had on hand mixing them as type of alloy. My theory is the more magnetic one has more iron = Bronze vs the copper one which is solid copper and it slides off (copper is non magnetic) It was something I noticed the first time I tested them. I knew they were made from different materials, (had no idea what at time I'm a total coin gnoob I know nothing) at least I did know nothing, NOW I KNOW and am learning!
Bronze would be more magnetic naturally as its an ALLOY but only slightly more as the case with this coin (doesn't really "stick" but wont slide off when tilted on the magnet) Its possible they are made of two different materials one is more magnetic, the Constantius II is probably solid copper whereas the Julian II is alloy of copper/iron/or some other materials = at type of bronze sp it sticks slightly.
Whats amazing to me though ARe the DATES of the coins, there two different coins/emperors with only slightly different date ranges...to each other, and they were found only feet apart?
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01/05/2014 2:53 pm
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BenByField - "They shouldnt be at all magnetic. Nto even slightly. They dont look like fakes, though. Ill take a magnet to mine and see if I can find any which are slightly magnetic.
Update: What do you know? I have some magnetic coins too."
Wow very cool! Glad you support my findings... It just makes sense, the ones that are slightly magnetic are Bronze, since Bronze would be slightly magnetic due to the iron content in the alloy, while a PURER copper coins one wouldn't be! Good test for coins to test if they made of copper copper/bronze alloy. So Not ALL the coins are bronze, not all are copper, they are mixed just as you said. This really supports the authenticity of the coins to me?
Ben "well, that is an interesting find in LA! they really don't look fake, maybe the magnetic one is a very old fake? can you pick out of the letters on the legend?
if not, try ben's distilled water and brush with a toothbrush...see if that helps"
Ok I will try the sad thing is the lettering on the edges is worn off very little can be read :( but I will clean take new pics see what shows up!
Thank you again for all the help and encouragement. ps.. glad this gnoob could contribute to everyone's knowledge we ALL are learning something new everyday? right? lo....
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01/05/2014 3:33 pm
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When you take your next pics, could you take them against a plain background, it makes them easier to see.
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Sure thing willdo.. also I did just that to these pics to help compare them clearly. I just posted them on this original thread found here... they are also larger = more close up detail... They are cleaner/clearer now, so I will def take more pictures this week! and post them up on white background as you suggested (was already planning)... http://metaldetectingforum.com/show...75791&page=6Edited by Goldmember333
01/05/2014 3:31 pm
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I looked into the magnetic properties of these coins. BRonze naturally has some iron in it but higher quality bronze is purer. This time in the empire was certainly not the best, so lower quality metals were in use.
Interestingly, my most magnetic coin seems to be republican - almost billon/brass in colour. Perhaps it has a high nickel concentration, as opposed to ferrous inclusions.
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mmm... interesting...so to say they are all "bronze" is incorrect and to say thay are all "copper" is ALSO incorrect some are both some are combos of other metals you listed, and some are mix of whatever they had on hand in rough times "recycling" was probably HUGE going on back then! hehe
amazing As times got rougher, the quality purity of the coins went down.. so do you think this supports their authenticity in any way? (though I would be VERY surprised at this point if these were fake and were replicas)
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01/05/2014 4:42 pm
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There is nothing on them that makes me think fake, the magnetism is normal. Id say they are authentic, but planted a long way from home. Why they were moved to LA is a thing we will never know, I'm guessing, but they are real roman coins and I can tell you that they werent dropped by a roman where you found them.
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good to hear! this is neat learning along with you...all this is just fascinating to me.. and you might have seen on the that thread I have suffered some ridicule by the ignorant unbelieving masses out there, (my "gold" turned out to be brass hehe but it fooled not just me at first blush)
I don't blame them for humor, I just have to laugh AT them not with Them, because I have the knowledge they don't about the site the entire time, and don't feel able to tell them lest I give it away, I know its rich history, they don't, which is why I went there in the first place.. it was calculated "luck" with some HARD work/skill determination for getting/finding it...so I'm cool with any skeptics either way they can think what they want I don't care.. I am giddy, thanks to you, these are my first Confirmed finds and YOU were a great Help getting there, so thank you again for taking the time to teach me, and It seems, and I hope you learned something as well?/ (learn something new every day)
I wouldn't be as confident in the authenticity if I didn't know the history of the site.. there are so many possibilities how they could get there and all are high prob. I think this The area was razed by machinery at some point, so never know where exactly they came from, but they ended up here with the trash/metal.
its possible they were dropped as the location as it was near the entrance/sidewalk to the house which is further back on the site. I could have been a park/resting area picknic area.
My theory- The owner of the collection had a kid, he could have been playing with "dads" stuff and lost them! or a missionary,prospector nun had them lost or put them there. bottom line is they are there and I hope there are many more..:) Looking forward to hunting this spot for a long time. I will def need your help in the future, my guess is if I find some in the same period...but at least I have SOME knowledge going in of what to expect and what they actually are thanks to you!
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01/05/2014 4:52 pm
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It is quite possible that a resident had a small collection of coins, and these were discarded as worthless and ended up in the demolition by who ever cleaned out the house. I hope you manage to find some more :)
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pish ya its not like they are worth millions or anything, and they were in bad shape to start maybe someone didn't know what they had etc...
or my friend thought maybe they were hidden in a wall in the house or under the floor who knows...this guy was rich, and I think he was probably a 33 Mason so you never know what is there.
Im kinda hoping there is a cache of them hidden somewhere around the house since we found 2 about 3 feet apart in same place... I went back found squat 2x so far but I only searched about 10% of it. Finding a hoard, prob wishful thinking...but I dream on.. lo
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Why is the AE coin in the 1st photo taken using a magnifier, yet the other coin in the 2nd is taken as normal?
Couldn't you have taken the 1st in the same way?
If they are your photos of course.
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Your first one is probably $5-10, second about $2-3 but hey..cool finds!
swcoin.ecrater.com
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all of them were using a jewelers loop placed over my cell phone I thought they came out great for what I was using! (it does work pretty good the coins were very dirty as well so it wasn't blurry only on edges. If you think its blurry look at the background behind them, that is GAMING pad with micro textures that you can almost make out in the shots lo.. I just cropped the extra stuff off those other shots... I will take some more, I just fixed my phone/camera. The coins are a bit cleaners now, so hopefully these will be clearer.
"if they are my photos?" ahhahah jeez everyone a doubter... lo
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Your first one is probably $5-10, second about $2-3 but hey..cool finds!
yea verm finding ancient copper roman coins... 10$ - look on jealous doubting jewelers face... PRICELESS! (can still see the look of amazement on his face, I wish I had taken a picture! hahahah :)
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