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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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This does not look like the work of a Spanish major Bob....
Lots of nice bumps and craters too. Do you think this thing is contemporary?
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Swamperbob
Maybe the worst forgeries are not copies but unauthorised restrikes using old dies. Here in Australia there is concern that somebody has made restrikes of the wartime POW tokens.
Also the possibility that David Gee made restrikes of pre decimal rarities. The guy reportedly had access to many original dies and the rumour is that he was he took all the blame even though he was reputedly working with/for the head of the mint as only the mint head could open the vault storing the pre decimal dies.
It was about the same time that many "foreign orders" came out of the Canberra Mint (such as the 1977 C of A 50 cent coin that should not exist).
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Thq - The odd 1817 coin is without a doubt from the period - I believe once tested in will fall in the 1830s as a likely date of manufacture. It was made to circulate. It is also an off metal alloy made from hand cut dies so it fits perfectly in Class 1.
Unauthorized restrikes and mint fantasies are VERY dangerous I agree. It would be wonderful to know which mints have kept old dies or old die making tools so that new rarities could be viewed with the suspicion they deserve.
Mexico has kept many old dies and die punches dating back to the 1700s. That is perhaps why they could enter the "restrike" business rather easily. They also have some of the old equipment so I guess they could start up a replica mint from almost any era if the chose to do so.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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swamperbob- that's an amazingly awful and funny 1817 8R. But what does the reverse look like?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1373 Posts |
A couple of 1900 Walking Liberty DOLLARS.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1373 Posts |
...And I have THREE of the seven known in the world of this coin.   |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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You mean Walking LIBFRTY?  |
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I don't mind those 1804's. Provided that is, I can get an example for $10 or less. It's the only way I will ever own one!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
5362 Posts |
Archraz It may seem hard to believe but I can not locate the reverse of that coin or I would have sent it. The coin itself is in the Bank. It is rather similar in terms of crudity.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3343 Posts |
It's nice to see a walker in the handy dollar size. I'm wondering about how the bumps and craters on a cast counterfeit are formed. In reading about casting defects, the use of a cold die seems to be one of the causes. The air bubbles in the molten casting metal approach the cold die and expand. If they rupture a crater forms, if not a bump. Some dealers try to explain the cause as old rusty dies, but based on real rust bumps on a 1878cc quarter I would not expect perfect pearly hemispheres. Maybe Spanish colonial rust is special... The following guide to die casting defects is interesting http://www.empiredie.com/empire-die...7-table.htmlThe cold flow picture shows the worst surface bumps, as well as some very familiar looking surface staining. "Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Pillar of the Community
Hong Kong
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My worst counterfeit is a modern restrike MTT, it is really a modern restrike (but a casting actually) MTT but not officially. A lazy and poor craftwork stuff but is still deceptive by seeing the photo. This specimen is occasionally seen on ebay. 18.56 grams, 39.0-39.1 mm, magnetic, coin alignment, milled edge    It is easily misunderstood as a Haf. 58 specimen for its legend is very close to edge. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Here is a couple I stumbled across. 1712 8 escudos 1882 8 reales 1910 peso 1908 1 baht. This one is so bad they didn't even put the right obverse. I bought this one early in my coin collecting career and thought I had scored big time. Nope. Only paid a few bucks for it though.   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I have one of those same 1882 Zs 8R "replicas" - I refer to it as my "zombie eagle" cap and rays, and it really shouldn't fool anyone even before the base metal underneath starts showing through the (tin?) plating.
That "caballito" peso copy, on the other hand, with its typical somewhat worn down appearance, is just good enough that it might deceive a novice.
Colligo ergo sum
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06/29/2014 3:33 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Brazil 1936 5000 reis. Junkbox find   |
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Japan
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Was looking for a place to put this beauty. 11.56g, 30.5mm, slightly too thick.  Edited by bungle
11/25/2014 08:59 am
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