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 Posted 01/09/2014  6:02 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add nofaction1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
So I was on ebay, and spotted a guy selling cracked coins. How common is this? Is this legal? He was pretty sloppy at it to, all I had to do was browse his buyers history.
One coin he paid $1000 for ( could of been make an offer) but its currently almost $2000 now! Some one is going to be a little disappointed.
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 Posted 01/09/2014  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nofaction1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure if I can post links. But its clearly in regards to the topic.

Still has 3 hours left, and his other stuff too.
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=ite...261369643142

P.s. Looks MS63PL to me. Lol
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 Posted 01/09/2014  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Theres some notorious coin crackers out there. Not the most honest thing to do but its perfectly legal
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 Posted 01/09/2014  6:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nofaction1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think its more common then I realized. As for the ones getting burned with this guy, I have no sympathy. Just because it was so easy to see what is being done by this guy. Somebody should make a list of these people.
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 Posted 01/09/2014  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Common? Yes. It happens a lot. eBayers not only do it, but brick & mortar and vest pocket coin dealers have been known to crack out coins and try to unload them at coin shows to unknowledgeable buyers. There have been many MS 62's popped out and passed off as MS64's and 65's.

Legal? Yes. Last time I looked it wasn't against the law to make a profit.

Unethical? All depends on whether the Seller is promoting the coin as a higher grade than it was originally slabbed. So, in most cases yeah, it's unethical. That's why ebay does not allow unslabbed coins to be promoted with a numerical grade. Most sellers will say the coin is either "circulated" or "uncirculated.

Unknowledgeable buyers should not buy jillion dollar coins on the internet. They are asking for trouble.
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 Posted 01/09/2014  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Anytime you see a real high value coin like that raw, theres a good chance it was once in a details slab. Those pictures look like the guy "juiced" them up too to make it look as proof like as possible. If he thought his inventory would grade problem free theyd almost certainly be in slabs with how much easier it would be to sell and the better prices it could bring.
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 Posted 01/09/2014  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I also agree with basebal21's comments and would also ask the Seller "why is it not slabbed?" BEFORE making a purchase. The Seller has way too many DMPL dollars listed and most likely all have been played with. Artificial frost and enhanced mirrors are easily detected by the TPG's. Unfortunately, the unsuspecting Buyer won't find out about the problem until about 6 weeks after he sends the coin in for grading and by that time the buyer protection, and the Seller, will be long gone.
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 Posted 01/09/2014  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add solotime to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is also a reason why not to buy expensive coins on ebay raw.
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 Posted 01/09/2014  6:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yhbearcats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good catch nofaction!

As others have said, it is very risky to buy expensive coins on ebay sight unseen.
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 Posted 01/09/2014  6:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nofaction1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
darn.... So what I've taken from this is don't trust people or businesses....
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 Posted 01/09/2014  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"darn.... So what I've taken from this is don't trust people or businesses...."

No, you don't have to carry it that far but you do need to have common sense, do your due diligence and trust your instincts.
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 Posted 01/09/2014  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One more thing and I'll shut up.

Anybody else think it's ironic that the Seller's current 10 active coins are currently all being "won" be the SAME bidder? Looks like there is some serious shilling going on!

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 Posted 01/09/2014  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you're new to the forum you should keyword search "crack out" and "crack out artists" and make a mental note of the sellers whose ebay links are posted...it's good to know
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 Posted 01/09/2014  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zxcccxz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Perfectly legal but still unethical and I'm sure that ebay takes action against this kind of scam.
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 Posted 01/09/2014  10:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@nofaction its not that you cant trust anyone, but at the same time people do need to earn that trust. Its like everything else in life theres good people bad people and people that fall in the middle. Anytime a coin over 500 dollars is raw especially when it gets into the 4 figures and higher thats an immediate red flag. Its an even bigger red flag when theirs significant added value from a designation like a pl or dmpl. Like western mentioned if you ask yourself why it isn't in a slab the answers are basically going to all come to the same result in that it would get details or wouldnt get the dmpl or pl.

With that said some people do honestly sell coins like that but its not really something youd want to play with without extensive knowledge of the coin in question. Not everyones a snake oil salesman but theres enough that being cautious is a wise move.
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 Posted 01/10/2014  04:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add g048406 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Until recently, it was against ebay policy to 'crack-out' coins and sell on ebay without revealing any known defects. Many 'crack-out' artists were NARU'd from ebay, but, than came CENTSLES. Centsles was caught cracking-out coin and selling them on ebay.......needless to say, ebay gave in to centsles and changed their crack-out policy. I expect we are going to see a flood of crack-out crooks on ebay selling ex-certified coins. Anyone buying raw expensive coins on ebay should assume that the coins have problems serious enough to prevent them from getting a straight grade from a TPG.
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