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Dear Forummembers, Ive an Rouble from 1726 in my collection. And because there are much varities of this particulair piece I am wondering which one it is. You have also 2 and 8 roubles Which looking the same and have the same weight. Varities in Feathers, Letters Etc. I am wondering if you can help me. The edge is also with letters. Weigth is 27,68 Gram and 42 MM is diamter       Edited by vince1977
01/21/2014 06:12 am
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Thank you! I've chanced it correctly now.
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It looks genuine to me except it's mounted previously.
Even though it's an ex-jewellery coin, it's still worth a fair amount as it's a rather uncommon coin to start off with.
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all three links go to same coin, the images and descriptions are the same
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oh ok, But for some reason one is an 1 rouble the other an 3 roubles and the other an 3,5 roubles . And they are all different prices.
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Hello Forum members, I sended it to an auction house. But the start price was to low for me 75 euro's. They listed it as Bitkin 13 Russian rouble Moscow. So it should something like this? http://www.mcsearch.info/search.htm...ar:1122422#0I would like your opinions though if possible? |
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I would not touch that coin with a 10 foot pole. It is not Bitkin 13. It's very crude and the details are wrong.
Would like to know which auction house made that attribution. There are significant differences that are obvious to even a novice collector.
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03/19/2014 5:00 pm
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Hello Numismat,
Thank you for your reaction. could you tell me more about this piece? there are like 1000 bitkins and lijin also made contribution about the types. I can't see the differences all by myself. There are differences in the Eagle, in the edge, and the lyrics alround. But I can't find for instance the difference types of edge online. The eagle there are also alot of differences known. In the tail for instance...
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Ok, let's focus on the eagle side. Here is the Bitkin 13 from the Auction: http://www.mcsearch.info/ext_image.html?id=1122422The wings and tail are completely different, so right there we know this coin is not the same variation. Beyond that, the main crown is lopsided with the left side larger than the right and also lacks a clearly defined border. The lettering is crude and irregular, and this is not just a result of wear. The lettering is expected to be thicker on your coin due to differences in condition, but they are inconsistent to one another. Look at the M and O in MOHETA for example. The right leg of the M is thicker than the left and the O is mishappen and the walls are inconsistent in thuckness all around. Additionally, the wear pattern is off. The eagle's breast and orb in it's claws appear significantly worn, but the large crown does not. All of these areas are high points in the design and should show more or less equal wear. And on top of that the dentils around the rim are completely missing. The coin is slightly off center, which is not a problem. But at least one side (the one that is pushed in toward the center) should display dentiles. Any one of these things alone may not be a big red flag, however when you have all of them present in combination I would treat this coins with much scrutiny. Edited by Numismat
03/20/2014 5:47 pm
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Nice explenation Numismat, Now indeed If I look closer I see more differences. However it could be that they are both not bitkin13 . But I don't have examples and pictures to compare mine. I have here an site with roubles 1726 types. But cleary not the expertise to see which one it is for sure. I am wondering what you think? Here I have the site and If you got time, would really appreciate it if you took a look. http://www.m-dv.ru/monety-rossii-17...2/types.htmlBest regards, Vincent |
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That site only has a couple of varieties and none of them match your coin.
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Didn't know it is that hard to find out which type it is. I am mailing several russian numismatics , auction houses etcetera. But not a normal answer that gives more explenation about the type this coin should be..
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