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Brown Ike Discoloration

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 Posted 01/28/2014  3:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Earle42, your understanding is correct, Cameo refers the contast of the slightly roughed surfaces of the devices comparted to the mirror smooth surfaces of the fields. The term comes for the jewelry field where a cameo was a white engraved bust on stone or shell on a black stone background. In the case of a proof coin the devices have a slightly roughened surface created by the unpolished recesses in the die. When light hits a proof coin at an oblique angle the light that hits the fields is also reflected off at an oblique angle and not into the viewers eyes. this gives the fields a "black" look. But the light hitting the devices is scattered in all directions including into the viewers eyes making the devices much brighter or "white", against the "black" surfaces of the field. The finer and sharper the roughness is on the devices the greater the scattering and the "whiter" the devices, and the greater the cameo contrast.

The milky contamination of the fields of a brown Ike (and it does come from outgassing of the plastic holder) reduces the visible contrast because the film reflect light to the eyes as well.

Why do so many of the brown ikes show this film? I think it is because they are so common that they were hard to sell and back in the 1970's a great many of these coins traveled from show to show to show in the unairconditioned trunks of dealers cars (no minivans back then and most dealers just drove sedans and carried their coins in the trunk.) So those brown Ikes got baked time after time at 140 degree temperatures traveling from show to show. The high heat cause the plastic to break down and outgas with the fumes condensing on the coins.
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 Posted 01/28/2014  5:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shootnstarz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I suspected it came from the holder, some have it and some don't. I have one in a PCGS holder graded PR68 that's horrible looking.

Thanks for the education Condor.

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It explains why all of mine have the problem. They were all cracked from OGP holders in the early nineties.

The ~20 years in those plastic did not do them any favours, but I love them just the way they are.
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The ones I have that were in my dads collection show very little hazing. Mostly a halo kind of look. They spent their entire lives climate controlled. The ones I have that are heavily hazed I do not know their history, so may well have been trunk baked. But....

To mess with the theory that the hazing is from the cases. The cases are the exact same thing used for the GSA Morgans. Many of these coins are PL or near PL coins. I have not seen any of these with the haze on them. What say you all?
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Conder = thanks for the verification. I always thought the word cameo was a jewelry take-off.

Now I know I am going to break my one Brown Ike (still in the case) out.


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To mess with the theory that the hazing is from the cases. The cases are the exact same thing used for the GSA Morgans. Many of these coins are PL or near PL coins. I have not seen any of these with the haze on them. What say you all?
I need to find the reference, but I think the planchet rinse used contributed to the process. Perhaps someone will beat me to it.
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I just cracked open a 1979 Proof set. All the coins are nice and clean except the SBA which has the same haze (frosting, if you will) I've seen on Ikes. Could this be a dollar thing?
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If the hazing issue is from the plastic interacting with the metal, I have to wonder if the 90% silver composition of the GSA Morgans vs the 40& silver Ikes might have made a difference in how much the aging plastic affected the coins?
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