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Many of my brown Ikes have a milky white discoloration forming from the edge first then progressing toward the center.

Are these things that poorly sealed or is there some chemical reaction going on because of materials in the holder?

Should I remove them from the OGP? Can they be restored to shiny DCAM condition?

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A known problem with the proof silver Eisenhower dollars.

I would not do anything to fix it, but I am sure others will offer opinions. Most of mine were like that when I bought them, but I have grown to appreciate it.
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Originally I was not a real big fan of the toning on these either but some of them have really started to appeal to me. Unfortunately even if you are not a big fan of it there isn't really much you can do to them to change it without negatively affecting the coins value. If they really bother you that much you can always send them off to me or [jbuck], we will give them a loving home.
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Love the Ike.. Hahaha as previously noted its a "Ike thing"
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jbuck... please don't shoot me...
When I was first on this forum I had not heard of the product called MS70. I shuddered when I went to my local coin shop and watched him dip a Brown Ike into this stuff. But I have to admit that when he took it out, I could not tell it from one an original that had not been toned whn they were side by side. He said that the TPGs will grade coins that have been in MS70 and he has had many graded after dipping. Of course MS70 can be overdone to make a cleaned look, but I personally would use this one a discolored Ike after seeing the results (in fact I bought one from him).

I got a bottle of it and use it primarily to restore a decent look to circulated proof halves I have found. I figure I cannot hurt them anyway as they are only worth .50.

https://goccf.com/t/138854

I know in the posted thread that there is a caution that professionals can tell if MS70 has been used. And I would agree with this on non-proof coins. Uncirculated coins that have been dipped do not have the same look as the original mint luster and you can tell them side by side. I think the reason the proofs come out like original is b/c the original mirror finish they have does not have that same silver "tint" we all know and love on original MS UNC coins.
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Now to give jbuck absolute convulsions, I have used good old E Z Est on the Brown Ikes with light hazing with good result. Granted, these were impaired as they had hairlines or the like, but they could not be told from un treated coins.
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I am a do-it-yourself-er. I know that since the TPGs can "conserve" coins that they were not granted some magical and mystical powers so there are methods out there us mere mortals can find and use.

Once I get another major project out of the way - hoping this spring - I will be spending more time with my coins. I plan on experimenting with some things to see how the "professionals" do it. One method I am thinking of I read on here - acetone with an airbrush - high powered, non-detrimental, and will oust anything organic.



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There are a few things that make me go hmmmm there. First, Vaporizing acetone. The firefighter in me swoons. LOL

Second, at pressures that would be of any use, I would worry that anything hitting the coin would leave noticeable traces.

That being said, I do have an air brush for models...
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Vaporizing acetone. The firefighter in me swoons. LOL

Very true... the former chemistry teacher in me says that this would be only an outside event anyway


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Second, at pressures that would be of any use, I would worry that anything hitting the coin would leave noticeable traces.

Experimentation will tell. I think distance wil play a good part in this. I know sometimes I see small bits of stuff lodged in between lettering. I am hoping the air pressure plus constant fresh force of acetone on these type of spots will encourage the gunk to go away.
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Try not to think of it as a milky white discoloration, instead see it as an attractive "frosting".
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Well, I am close. I just use two different letters.

Some people like frosting on I-K-E-S

I prefer my icing on C-A-K_E_S.

A perfect mirror surface is what attracts me to proofs. IMO the Eagle & Moon REV with a gorgeous mirrored background is hard to beat.

I don't know - maybe some day I will change my mind. But for now any toning on coins, even the rainbow ones, just do not appeal to me for some reason.
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A perfect mirror surface is what attracts me to proofs. IMO the Eagle & Moon REV with a gorgeous mirrored background is hard to beat.


I'm with ya Earle, I want my proof coins to shine like a...............proof coin.

I just received an unboxed 74 brown Ike and I noticed about 50% of the outside is discolored. I stuck a knife in the corner of the holder and it popped right open. Not sealed very well are they?

Man it is tempting to have some dipped in MS, would the coin stay cameo finish for a relatively long time afterward or would it just turn back to milk eventually?

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Honesty time here. I thought I understood this, but maybe I am wrong. I thought the cameo on a proof coin was the frosted appearance of the raised areas. And I thought this also was an actual surface frosting embedded in the surface of the coin?

Io was not really seriously looking at getting any proofs and so did not know the lingo until last year or so. And I really was not concerned with a cameo proof. Bqck when I used to get proof sets - in the 70s and 80s, I had never heard the term. Getting back into the hobby around 3 years ago there has been a LOT to digest as the hobby now/then is as different as night and day.

I know the frosty looks of the halves I did stayed the same - see the link above and look at the before and after pics.

Please let me know if I am wrong on my understanding of all of this.
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Now to give jbuck absolute convulsions, I have used good old E Z Est on the Brown Ikes with light hazing with good result.
I have actually seen it done, but would not want to do it myself.
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I've got lots of Ike dollars. Not one has any haze, discoloration, toning, etc. Niether the proofs or uncircs or even the ones from change. I must be doing something wrong. All look like the day I got them.
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