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All the enumeration and lettering are bold, sharp and legible, a very well preserved piece of Americana. It sure is beat up for a "well preserved piece". I can't comment on authenticity but I would not take a chance on it.  |
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lol I'm not , I'm just curious, how many of those were minted?
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but the lettered edge was a pattern coin? am I right?
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I'm just curious, how many of those were minted? 12,367 according to US Mint records, including both wire and flat rim, which actually were from the same die press, or medal press as was used to strike these beauties. There is a well known counterfeit called the "Omega" coin, called such due to the counterfeiter marking the coin with an omega mark in the claw of the eagle, supposedly so he would not buy his own bad coins back. They are extremely well done copies and fooled many experts for years, they are also collectible in their own right today. An article from ANACS with photos by John Roberts help show the Omega counterfeit off quite nicely. http://www.anacs.com/(A(SI4wiutNzwE...e.aspx?ID=20Here is a CCF posting on them: https://goccf.com/t/146915"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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wow, that's very interesting, thanks for the info
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I have had the pleasure of holding a couple of the Omega counterfeits, they are superbly crafted and so good they fooled everyone even the TPG and Authenticators for a while. The ANA has a couple of them in their inventory they let us use at a summer seminar course on Counterfeit Detection. Amazing coins. I wouldn't buy one un-graded today even though I know what to look for. I have always wanted to have a high relief Saint Guadens double eagle myself, I've handled a couple (raw) of them over the years, but they were just too much money for me to keep unfortunately.  In my eye it's the most beautiful US coin ever made.  Here is a slabbed one up now in NGC Details AU for a fair price, considering its repaired and harshly cleaned. http://www.ebay.com/itm/181333726166"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
02/25/2014 5:37 pm
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Take a look at the rest of what he has up for auction. There are some KILLERS in the mix including an 1889-CC in AU I'm guessing. It appears real and matches the VAM2 in my eyes. He also has a 14 day return on all of them. Somebody old and dead had these I'm thinking.
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This seller also has a proof 1865 Seated Liberty quarter for sale. The frosted Lady Liberty and eagle on the coin look great, but there are all sorts of marks in the fields. Some look like hairlines, but others appear to be actually marks in the silver. I'm still learning to detect cleaning on silver coins; has this coin been cleaned or are those marks from mishandling it? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-1865-U...em2a3846969fPaul Bulgerin
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It still eludes me why anyone would spend that much money on the CHANCE that it is real. At a minimum let a TPG authenticate it. The buyer may think that ebay's Buy Protection will make it safe for them BUT even if it isn't real and the buyer files a SNAD they still have to get the money back from the seller. Mine is an AU-50 and is safely nestled in an NGC slab in a safe deposit box in a bank. (It's my only 5-figure coin.) |
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Chances are it could be real, but spending $10,000 on an ungraded US Gold coin on ebay is just way too risky. I mean, if you have that kind of money, go to a reputable auction house and get one. |
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haha I only have a 4 figure coin which is a gorgeous colorful pine tree shilling vf35 , a fourth of my yearly wage, I spent less on vehicles but one day maybe It will be a 5 figure coin , safety dept box also
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I am only a 3 figure coin type of gal...
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coin should be slabbed to determine if its real. Too risky. Also why is everything all raw especially the rare stuff?
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On the unslabbed coins, I'm thinking someone's grandfather (who was a very discriminating collector left some really great items to his family). Until the 1980's there were NO slabbed coins. Take a look at Early American Coppers. Many of those beauties are not slabbed due to the more stringent grading criteria applied by the EAC organization. Not saying these coins are categorically genuine, but they certainly appear so. I could take his '89-CC Morgan easily down to the VAM. Just saying..... PG |
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