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Overly Dipped Or Decent Peace Dollar

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http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/vie...925Peace.jpg

Please see the link for the photos. Thoughts?
Looks overt dipped to me, but I am not a good judge.
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If you couldn't tell from the obverse, you can definitely tell from the reverse. From the pics, it looks dipped to me.
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I see nothing beside what I'd expect as "normal" for a Peace dollar. Lustrous versions are the exception to the rule. Look for a hint on the rim, where the two prongs of whatever held it for the dip prevented the thiourea from penetrating. You might see two small spots of remaining color, 180 degrees apart on the coin.
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It might just be the photos, but Ddave the reverse looks very pitted to me, as in an over dipped coin.
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Dip is incapable of pitting a coin. It removes material in molecule-thick layers, not something dimensionally-measurable. An overdipped coin starts resembling a Matte Proof, not a rusted die.
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what you think is pitting could be die rust
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Looks fine to me...
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I see nothing wrong with the coin.
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Close call but I'm leaning towards original surfaces.
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Not even a question. A very nice coin, not over dipped at all. Most certainly rusted die texturing.

Denco, way too much luster there to be over dipped. As Dave said, dip is not going to pit a coin.
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Again...... you guys are killing me on semantics. Pitted was a poor choice of words.

Let's say stripped. It looks like a layer of metal was taken away at a molecular level

I accept the other opinions, but I stand by " not original surfaces " And of course we all agree, we can't effectively grade a coin by mere photos, probably looks totally different in hand.
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It looks perfectly fine to me, nothing jumps out as dipped.
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I too don't see any definitive evidence of a dipping, if it was - it was expertly done. Luster looks right, the stuff on the reverse is water spotting (as I call it). These were apparently caused by the methods used to wash the planchets to remove grease before striking, and are present on all the 1922-25 dates to some degree.

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Peace dollars may have what is known as a "water spots", minor blemishes on the coin surface that reduce eye appeal though they don't necessarily affect the grade. The reverse of the Peace dollar is typically worse than the obverse (opposite of Morgans). Peace dollars are graded fairly conservatively and usually will not get a jump in grade for borderline coins unlike a few other series.

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The more I look at her, the more I want her in my collection.
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Decent strike. The obverse photo has what looks like cartwheel luster, with what looks like aged surface bloom/frost. I'll vote for original surfaces.
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I'm thinking it's the pictures. I would call that a normal Peace dollar.
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