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IHC Grading Game--Results!

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 Posted 03/09/2014  8:06 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This is a game--you vs. the TPGs. So what would you grade these 1877 IHCs? I didn't go out of my way to make these tricky
I picked these coins ‘off the top', well-lit shots that should be easy to grade.

How about 2 grades for each? First, what you think the TPG graded (NGC or PCGS), and then your grade. Have fun!

P.S--Check out Rick Snow's grading guide. I'll fill in the grades Monday morning.

1. VG10--PCGS
IHC-Grading-Game--Results!

2. VF30--PCGS Really?!
IHC-Grading-Game--Results!

3. VF20--PCGS
IHC-Grading-Game--Results!

4. G4--PCGS
IHC-Grading-Game--Results!

5. G4--PCGS
IHC-Grading-Game--Results!

6. F15--PCGS
IHC-Grading-Game--Results!

7. F12--PCGS
IHC-Grading-Game--Results!

8. AU58--PCGS and CAC CAC, really--with those cheek scratches?!
IHC-Grading-Game--Results!

9. EF45--NGC
IHC-Grading-Game--Results!

10. EF40--NGC
IHC-Grading-Game--Results!

11. VG8--NGC
IHC-Grading-Game--Results!

12. AU53--NGC
IHC-Grading-Game--Results!

13. AU55--PCGS
IHC-Grading-Game--Results!

14. EF45--PCGS
IHC-Grading-Game--Results!

Edited by DVCollector
03/10/2014 2:43 pm
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 Posted 03/09/2014  11:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not well versed in IHC at all (in fact, I only own 3-4). I'll say my grades match PCGS/NGC since I don't know any better.

1. VG8
2. F12
3. F12
4. G4
5. G6
6. F12
7. G6
8. AU55
9. AU50
10. XF45
11. G6
12. MS61?
13. AU55
14. MS62?

I hope I get at least half right.
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 Posted 03/10/2014  01:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting idea! Here goes nothing, my guesses;

1. VG10 - Details scratched
2. F12 - Details scratched
3. F15
4. VG8
5. VG8
6. F12
7. VG10 - maybe details due to surface PVC, but could have graded clean
8. EF40
9. EF45
10. VF30
11. VG10
12. EF40
13. AU53
14. MS60/61
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 Posted 03/10/2014  01:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just an update--none of the coins pictured above got details grades.
I'll post the results in the morning.
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Just an update--none of the coins pictured above got details grades.


I've had (non key date) coins come back, with less damage on them than the ones I labeled as detailed, in body bags (old days) and now in details or Genuine holders from PCGS, NGC and ANACS. Kind of stinks how there is a double standard for key dates and certain old coins when it comes to PMD.
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 Posted 03/10/2014  09:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidZerbato to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
TPGs on the left side, my grades on the right. I think generally, TPGs tend to over grade key date coins.

F12/F12
VF20/F15
VG8/G6
VG8/G6
F15/F12
F12/VG10
AU50/EF40
EF40/VF30
VF30/VF30
VF8/VG8
EF45/EF40
AU50/EF40
EF45/EF40
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 Posted 03/10/2014  09:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks. Good post!
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 Posted 03/10/2014  09:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdmern to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1. G6
2. VG10
3. F12
4. G4
5. G4
6. VG8
7. VG8
8. AU50
9. XF45
10. VF30
11. VG10
12. AU53
13. AU58
14. AU58
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Real quick look....
1. G6
2.F12
3. vg10
4. g6
5.G4
6. VG10
7.VG8
8. VF35
9. VF30
10. VF30
11.VG8
12. XF40
13. XF45
14. XF45
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 Posted 03/10/2014  11:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@DavidZ there are 14 coins you only listed 13.
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 Posted 03/10/2014  11:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsearcher83 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1. G6, details
2. VG10, details
3. VG10
4. G6
5. G6
6. VG8
7. G6
8. VF20
9. VF20
10. F15
11. G6
12. VF20
13. VF30
14. VF35

Based on the other guesses, I'm either really conservative or horribly lost..
Edited by coinsearcher83
03/10/2014 11:37 am
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I must be a hard grader because I don't see an AU in the bunch. although 13 comes close...

1. AG-3
2. VG-10
3. F-12
4. G-4
5. AG-3
6. F-12
7. VG-8
8. EF-40
9. VF-30
10. VF-30
11. VG-8
12. EF-40
13. EF-45
14. EF-45
Edited by paddy murphy
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@coinsearcher
from DV who started the op

Quote:
Just an update--none of the coins pictured above got details grades.
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 Posted 03/10/2014  2:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpbone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
TPG grade/my grade.


1. VG-8/G-6
2. F-15/F-12
3.F-12/fF-12
4. G-6/G-4
5. G-6/G-6
6. F-12/F-12
7. VG-10/VG8
8. EF-40/EF -40
9. EF-45/EF-45
10. VF -35/VF-30
11. VG-8/VG-8
12. EF-40/EF -40
13. AU-53/AU-53
14. EF-45/EF-45

I believe #13 gets an AU because I'm seeing the weakness in the ribbon as strike related. To me, it really depends heavily which TPG we are up against.
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I've had (non key date) coins come back, with less damage on them than the ones I labeled as detailed
Yeah--that would sure be frustrating! A few of these struck me as details-grade as well--I like coins with even wear.

So I picked coins w/pictures detailed enough to grade--I didn't single out problem coins. That said, some probably look different in-hand--at lot of my IHCs do! Overall, I trust my fellow CCF members grades more than many as slabbed--especially #8 with the CAC sticker! I've posted the TPGs grades next to the coins.

Here are my grades. I gave a few net grades due to issues I see.

1. VG8--too many marks!
2. F12 details--big scratch
3. F15
4. AG3 Just not enough rim/legends to make G4
5. G4
6. F15
7. F12 toughie to grade
8. EF40 not enough detail in ribbon curls for AU--scratches on cheek.
9. VF35
10. VF25
11. VG8 just barely
12. EF45 probably better in-hand
13. EF45 held back by strike
14. EF45
Edited by DVCollector
03/10/2014 2:51 pm
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DV, thank you again! This is one of the best post for learning about grading. You provided the pics and Rick Snow's grading guide then, you gave the TPG grade. I just downloaded his printout last week.
I'm still learning, ( I'm to embarrassed to post) and did not but did it at home.
This is great you did this. A learning experience.
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