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New Member
United States
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Hello, I'm looking for info on a cut 8r coin.
It's halved, just under 2 cm wide & almost 4 cm top to bottom. Weight of .316 oz, 8.97 grams.
Very worn but still readable date and letters. '80 showing. Back is stamped Tortola.
I'm wondering how frequently this cut/ counter stamp was done. I've read that Tortola is the most common marking but am having a surprisingly tough time finding info/ varieties of Tortola stamps.
Any shared knowledge is appreciated! I do realize this piece is probably not valuable but the history is interesting.
I'm already ahead on this purchase as it is silver, paid $1 on a whim :D
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Valued Member
Spain
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Well...some photos would help
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Valued Member
Germany
194 Posts |
None of these counterstamps are really common, but the TORTOLA stamp is one that comes up more frecuently. It is also heavily counterfeited.
I am not an expert in West Indies counterstamps, but as far as I can tell, the collectors looking for the real thing pretty much doubt anything they see, and even buying a slabbed item is somewhat of a leap of faith for them. Sometimes even the stamp types found on the coins in the big collections (Pridmore, Gibbs, Roehrs, etc.) are doubted.
I get the impression that forgeries made for collectors up to completely invented stamps (and histories) date back a very long time and have made access to the field rather difficult.
In any case, a picture of the item in question would definitely help.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I WAS one of the worlds leading experts ... in the U.S. anyway ... as these species are more geared to foreign collectors. My collection was sold via Stacks during the 2008-2010 period. Geared more to foreign collectors? Why? Every major auction has been at BALDWIN's <BG>. Tortola or Curaco. There is a major W.I. catalouge - Ray Byrne - buy it for $100 - then buy YOUR coin - BUT - if you are a ONE TIME SHOT WI type collector just buy it in a slab ... some may say this is still no guarantee ... they can ... <VVBG>.
John Lorenzo United States
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New Member
 United States
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 Thinking my strike may be on the weak side. I can't find other stamps like this one. If this is counterfeit they sure did a good job..and used silver 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1757 Posts |
Yep - its a counterfeit.
BTW - its looks cast from this distance. Could be period silver ... unlikely with these issues ... most are modern alloys via XRF verification testing.
You NEED a full and strong library. I spent over $1,000 on my W.I. Library and then I started to purchase WI coins ... but I am not your typical 20 minutes/week hobbyist ... either ... <VVBG>.
Buy a library or buy slabs ... this field in RAW could KILL you and STRIP you in a year ...
John Lorenzo United States
Edited by colonialjohn 03/25/2014 11:44 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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A couple of questions please. How do you know it is silver, did you preform a specific gravity test on the coin? Did you examine the surface of the coin under magnification? In your photo my first thought was the coin is cast, detail look mushy and lots of surface distortion. Tourist shops in Florida used to sell sets containing an 8 reales, a half cut 8 reales, a quarter cut 8 reales and am 1/8th cut 8 reales, all bearing the "Tortola" counterstamp. You could also buy the set without the counterstamp. ( I still have my set without the counterstamp and a fellow collector in our local coin club has the set with the counterstamp, we should do a display sometime) I would be very careful in evaluating that coin, the $1 you paid might be true value.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Agreed JF - its cast and probably 0% Ag and 20thC - NO DOUBT. IMO.
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New Member
 United States
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Disappointing but expected
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New Member
 United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1801 Posts |
Compare the detail on your coin to the coin I am posting, look at the difference in the detail of the coin. Cast counterfeits like your tourist coin have very mushy details and after looking at a couple thousand of these over the last 40 years, you get good at noticing things like that. I also posted one of my full sets of these tourist coins, this set has several counter stamped, I also have a set where they are all counter stamped and a set where none are counter stamped.  
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