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 Posted 03/25/2014  5:42 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add lazycat to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I am a coin cutter living in Brooklyn, and I have a question.

Though I have been doing this for 20+ years, I come across new coins to cut all of the time. Recently, I was asked to cut a coin for a friend. It was a 2010 DRofC, 10 franc coin featuring a sloth. It was fun to cut, and came out great (see pic).

My question is based on the fact that these are sold a "silver" coins, and some sites and ebay sellers go as far as to specify them as .925, sterling.

Although the cut turned out great, I couldn't help notice that the inside on the coin was bright yellow, while the outside appeared to be a convincing solid sterling. I checked out the scraps that I cut away from the coin, and it is certainly yellow on the inside, white silver on the outside. And it's weighty. It feels like silver.

Is there a chance this is a scam? Counterfeit? Plated?
Are there some exceptions to sterling always appearing solidly silver in color?
Best yet, does anybody have any solid info on this particular coin?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.



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 Posted 03/25/2014  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Henry M Smith to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It probably should be called a round, since it has no authorizing country. Is it stamped 0.925 or Sterling silver on the other side or the rim? Unfortunately, even if it is plated and sold as such, resellers could sell it as Sterling.
Gold metal is suspicious. Check the density for an answer, but I doubt it is Sterling..
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 Posted 03/25/2014  6:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lazycat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a 10 franc from the Democratic Republic of Congo. This does not imply an 'authorizing country'?

Pardon my ignorance, I just don't know what that means.

Also, it is def. not magnetic.

Thanks for your reply.

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 Posted 03/25/2014  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jerry_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
, lazycat!

10 Francs, Democratic Republic of Congo. From endangered wildlife series.

I'm unable to find an official source of specifications for this coin. I see some ads stating .925 and some stating silver plated.
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 Posted 03/25/2014  6:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add persistnt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
because yu cut it and can see inside....I think we are seeing fraud (plated),,,lousey,,no good...
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 Posted 03/25/2014  6:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lazycat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If some are advertising it as plated, then I would imagine it's true, yes? If any info on it is conveniently vague, then many sellers would list as sterling, but not vice versa.

Bummer. Just bought another one before I realized the scam.

But, thanks!
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 Posted 03/25/2014  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chute72 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can't answer your question, but WOW, great cutting. Thanks for sharing.
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 Posted 03/25/2014  7:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add noahs-numismatics to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For some reason even NGC doesn't recognize them... http://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/

Fantastic work on the coin though!
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 Posted 03/25/2014  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lazycat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks much.
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This coin isn't listed yet in the Krause catalog but checking the other Democratic Republic of Congo 10 Francs coins shows that they are all made of silver plated copper. The last actual silver 10 Francs pieces were made in 2006. They've been silver plated copper since 2008.
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 Posted 03/25/2014  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lazycat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, they sure aren't excited to admit it. Fooled me twice. Shame on me.
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 Posted 03/25/2014  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Silver or not it still makes an impressive cut coin.
Thanks for sharing!
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 03/25/2014  8:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cderksen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Trying to cut a Canadian quarter myself right now, and I know that it will never look that good.
Quite an amazing job you did.
Still trying to buy the right tools.
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A sloth with a long tail ?
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 Posted 03/25/2014  10:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lazycat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
52Raymo - I was raised in Corvallis. It's where I learned to cut coins. Funny.

cderksen - If you need any tips or tool suggestions, let me know. I use a Swiss, fixed frame saw, with an adjustable German saw on hand, just in case. German or Swiss anything is good. Especially when it comes to blades.

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