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You Vs. PCGS 1927 Standing Liberty Quarter

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 Posted 03/27/2014  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm thinking MS-64... but I don't see the cleaning.
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 Posted 03/27/2014  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
None of us picked up on the 'details cleaning'.
Perhaps that is a result of the lighting used for the image?
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 Posted 03/28/2014  03:39 am  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
John, I also cherry pick these new PCGS details slabs.

There are some nice buying opportunities there :-)
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 Posted 03/28/2014  08:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would have never thought that coin was cleaned, nice natural looking patina actually.
I would have guessed 64, but who cares, great coin for the book
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 Posted 03/28/2014  09:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
vermontensium has a very commendable strategy with slabs details like this one!
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 Posted 03/28/2014  09:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure what the initial photos did but not one of us saw that coming and based on the detailed close ups of the coin, I would love to sit and talk with the graders working that shift and get an idea what they saw


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I'm not sure how I feel about cracking coins out of PCGS cases, just because of respect towards the grader.
Though the grader wouldn't care because he's already been paid and graded plenty more, it would feel like a waste of his time and someone's money


Graders are not holy men and graders are often as inaccurate as they are accurate. On any given day the same coin could get varying grades dependent upon a lot of factors.
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 Posted 03/28/2014  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnny54321 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, the "cleaning" is very subtle, and really hard to depict in a picture. This coin could easily pass for problem free to an average collector, and I probably wouldn't have noticed the cleaning had the PCGS label told me so; and I also had several Mint State SLQs in which to compare it to. It has a slight unnatural look to it when viewed from the side without direct light, and has a bit of "glossiness" that doesn't show on my other MS problem free slqs. Has the coin been cleaned? probably....but I still think PCGS could just as easily call it problem free.

Yes Dave, there are a LOT of great coins in 'detail" slabs, and I actually hunt them too....not only because they can represent a great value, but also because I crack out the majority of the coins that I own to put into albums; and I feel a LOT more comfortable cracking out a coin from a details slab.
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No disrespect to the grader but it is subjective. Recently I saw a 1956 mint set sent in in original packaging come back from ngc with the quarter obverse cleaned. For those that don't know two graders look at the coin only if they don't agree a third looks at it and the majority wins. Could be just like here split. I think a great buying opportunity for you but if I were the seller I would have sent it back in. I have seen occasions where they changed their opinion. Especially if it's 5 years or more since grading. I give more credit to pcgs just because of the sloppy job they do at ngc. Mismarked labels are about 10 to 1 which makes me wonder about the workload at Ngc. Like anything else you get better results if the employee is able to take the time nessesary to be accurate. When I see the the number of mistakes getting past ngc's quality controll it tells me their being rushed.
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