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Very Strange "Error" Cent On Ebay

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What is up with this coin listed on ebay? 111318734284
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Damaged.
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That LIBERTY across Lincoln's face looks incuse.
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And I see the ghost of Lincoln on the right side. Who ever did that was very creative.
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looks like someone placed coin on top other in a vice then twisted it
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DV says: That LIBERTY across Lincoln's face looks incuse.
That would be fishy enough but the Y in liberty in the field under the nose looks as distinct as the letters on the higher device of Lincoln's face. Seems to me that it would not be as well "struck". Also, the word TRUST looks doubled which I don't think would be consistent with a stuck through error. Was this listed on April Fool's Day?
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What makes it appear to be damaged? I don't see any signs of damage.

I think it is almost just what the seller says it is - struck through a shifted die cap. They're extremely rare and I've never seen one this dramatic. Still, not worth what they're asking, IMO.
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The "LIBERTY" is incuse but properly aligned ruling out a "vise job"
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The letters in the word LIBERTY are incuse and so is Lincoln's tie. It's pressed into the last 2 digits of the year 2000. I don't know of any way to get this sharp and clear of an impression LIBERTY unless it was tooled into the face of Lincoln.

Another "error" on the coin is the word TRUST. It shows heavy separation and what would look like a double strike but the seller makes no reference to this.

I used Photoshop to do an overlay of the coin's image using the word LIBERTY as a reference point. The word clearly shows that the 2nd LIBERTY is incuse. Most of the ghost image of Lincoln lines up with the overlay. Lincoln's tie caused the incuse dent in the last 2 digits of 2000, but the image of Lincoln's ear does not line up correctly. The ghost image ear is too far away from the Y in LIBERTY and is not quite the same shape as the ear from the overlay.

The fact that the rims show no sign of damage seems strange, but the only photos that the seller provides are photos of the obverse. This makes me wonder if a photo of the reverse would shows signs of damage from work done on the obverse.

Just my observations and I could be totally wrong, but I can't see this error happening in the minting process.

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I agree that a look at the reverse would be helpful.
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I don't know of any way to get this sharp and clear of an impression LIBERTY unless it was tooled into the face of Lincoln.
Or an impression by a reverse-reading LIBERTY--in relief? Is that possible at the Mint?
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I would avoid it personally.
1- its not authenticated or slabbed, would attract a lot more buyers if it was
2- can't see both sides (there should be lots of pics both sides IMO)
3- some things about it ( as mentioned ) don't seem right
4- new seller, 18 of 23 feedbacks are for purchases
I may be wrong but I dont gamble much.lol
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^ Could not have said it better.
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I agree that a look at the reverse would be helpful.

Just had to ask.The reverse looks normal,no sign of damage.
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I wouldn't even consider it unless it was slabbed PCGS or NGC. For that price it should at least be that or more with error authentication.
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Everything is right about this error. Encapsulation is unnecessary in my opinion, and I doubt the tpgs would describe the error correctly.

Incuse elements are common with struck through shifted die caps errors.

Edit: Here is the error-ref listing of this error. I think it will help others recognize this rare error.
http://error-ref.com/shifted-cap-strike.html
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