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"Proof Like" Kennedy Half?

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I was mounting up the Kennedy halves in a mint roll of 2014D's this evening and found one with an extremely mirror like surface. It really stood out among the other coins in the roll. I think I have one that would get the "PL" (prooflike) suffix if I were to submit it for grading. I'll post a pic tomorrow and see what you all think... not sure I can catch the surface adequately with a camera though.
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iontyre............


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I was mounting up the Kennedy halves in a mint roll of 2014D's this evening and found one with an extremely mirror like surface. It really stood out among the other coins in the roll. I think I have one that would get the "PL" (prooflike) suffix if I were to submit it for grading. I'll post a pic tomorrow and see what you all think... not sure I can catch the surface adequately with a camera though.


I am very interest in seeing your pics.

I bought some 2012 P&D Kennedy half dollars from the mint last year. Opened one BOX But not the ROLL. I had the same feeling. Maybe that is the way they are supposed to look?
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Would the grading companies label it as PL? I thought PL was only for Morgans.
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So far this image seems to do the best job of displaying the mirrorlike surface and extreme reflectivity of this piece.




I don't think it's fair if the TPG's will only give PL designation to Morgans!! Why does everyone think the darn Morgans are in a class by themselves?
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Here's the reverse. Floated my fingers about 10 inches above the coin to show the level of reflectivity.





Pretty intense. No cartwheel luster, just mirrorlike reflections. Remember, this was direct out of a mint roll, not from a third party. No dipping or polishing involved.
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That's one fine-looking Kennedy!
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Maybe it has been plated?
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I really like coins that stand out from others.

If this were dated a few years earlier it would be a major scarcity since the mint set coins (which often are PL) had a distinct finish.

Perhaps this was struck by an errant mint set die or is a misplaced mint set coin. It's not too unusual for burnished planchets to be struck by regular dies but this alone won't make a PL.
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coincollector...............


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Would the grading companies label it as PL? I thought PL was only for Morgans.


I was thinking the same thing........
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PCGS limits those designations to Morgans, but NGC applies PL and DMPL to all issues if relevant. At least, that's what they say.
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Like I said, this was directly out of a mint purchased roll, so no way it could have been plated. Are proof planchets produced at the SF mint, or are they shipped to SF? Could a proof planchet somehow have gotten to Denver? I compared this coin to other proof kennedys I have, and except for the lack of cameo on the devices, the fields are nearly identical.
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Wow, they are shiny. I can see a reflection of your fingers. Can you read text in the reflection?

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In order for a coin to be prooflike, dies must be polished, correct? I didn't know they polished dies nowadays, but I'm not sure.

It's definitely an impressive coin.
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Nice find!

Can you try taking the pictures with the coin laying flat down and the camera straight above it?
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In order for a coin to be prooflike, dies must be polished, correct? I didn't know they polished dies nowadays, but I'm not sure.


Most PL's are the result of basining (flattening the surface) the dies and/ or polishing the dies. I believe a new die strike on a polished planchet will make a sort of PL surface but it doesn't have the mirror like surfaces that most PL's have.

Polishing the die will result in a shinier coin but unless it's also basined then it won't look especially PL either. When all three come together you get the most dramatic PL's especially if the die is fairly new and the strike is solid.
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